vikipeediya:chaupaal/puraalekh 3

hindi anuvaad

main satyajit rai lekh ka angreji se anuvaad kar raha hooain. koshish hai ki yeh angreji vikipeediya ki tarah yahaaain bhi nirvaachit lekh bane. is lekh mein film jagat se jude kuchh vishesh shabd hain jinka anuvaad karne mein mujhe sahaayata ki jaroorat hogi. inmein se pehle do se shuruaat kar raha hooain. -- daadheekesh 05:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  1. Documentary:(vruttachitr ) mujhe yaad naheen aa raha ki dooradarshan par iske liye kya shabd prayog hota tha. shaayad main hamesha "Documentary" shabd dekhte hi channel badal deta tha!
  2. Trilogy: iske liye kya "tikdm" shabd upayukt rahega?
I support you; if we translate satyajit rai fully, it will be our 2nd featured article :-)! In Bengali Documentary is পaa্aaরaaমaaাaaণaa্aaযaaচaaিaaতaa্aaর ; transliterating to pramaanyachitr. Or maybe pramaan-film or pralekh-film?--vulfvaarta 11:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
vॄt chitr ? -- 16:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
documentary film ki sahi hindi hai vrutt chitr aur trilogy ki tikdi ya trayi -- poornima varman 17:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
dhanyavaad! kuchh aur shabd - alien, sequel, masterpiece, negative, flash-back. -- daadheekesh 07:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
alien = antarikshavaasi ya baahari(kis sandarbh mein hai jaanana zaroori hai. krupaya poora vaakya likhein), sequel=shesh, parinaam ya uttarakatha (upanyaas ya film ke sandarbh mein), masterpiece= shreshth kruti, negative=nakaaraatmak, flash-back= poorv drushya (lekin hindi mein 'flaishabaik' kaafi istemaal hota hai to jaisa ka taisa hi hindi mein bhi prayog kar sakte hain. poornima varman 21:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
dhanyavaad poornima ji, alien antariksh ke sandarbh mein hi tha. mainne dooragrahavaasi likha tha, antarikshavaasi behtar rahega. Negative film ke sandarbh mein hai, film ka nigetiv, iske liye koi hindi shabd ho to bataaeain. ek aur - Swan song, matlab kisi kalaakaar ki aakhiri kruti, iske liye koi upayukt shabd hoga? -- daadheekesh 22:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
film ke nigetiv ke liye pratichinya shabd hai to sahi lekin usaka prayog bahut hi kam hota hai. nigetiv shabd ka prayog hi saamaanya roop se hota hai. ho sakta hai ki aap har jagah pratichinya shabd ka prayog karein to yeh prachalan mein aa jaae jaise ki dharmayug ne transparency ke liye paaradarshi shabd ka prayog karna shuroo kiya aur yeh shabd prachalan mein aa gaya. agar himmat aur josh ki kami hai to nigetiv hi theek hai. -- poornima varman 18:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Swan song ke liye shaayad antim kruti ya antim rachana theek rahega. -- poornima varman 20:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe but ruholla khomainee‎, jaang ching and Mahadevi varma have more content and are better referenced at the moment.raaja Rambaat karo 22:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
mai aapki madad karne ko taiyaar huain ----sadasya:husaini
antarikshavaasi translates, I guess to someone who lives in space and perhaps not an alien from another planet. Maquahuitl 03:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

anya sanskaranon mein

kya anya sanskaranon mein mukhaprushth mein badal karne samay aate hai? ab April hai. shaayad Bangladesh nibandh baangla vikipeediya ka nirvaachit lekh se. mera prastaav yahaaain hai: Template talk:mukhaprushth anya sanskaranon mein. saaraansh anuvaad ho gaya, lekin check kar zaroorat hai. krupaya aapka mataamat dein. dhanyavaad.--vulfvaarta 08:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

featured articles

In order of most ready to least ready we have:

  1. mahaadevi varma (she is most relevant as well, being a hindi poet)
  2. satyajit rai
  3. jaang ching
  4. ruholla khomaini

raaja Rambaat karo 02:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's vote on this now.

What exactly are we voting on? There are a lot more articles that are close to being featured. I am adding them to vikipeediya:nirvaachit lekh parakh so that we have a better idea about them. There we can also discuss what exactly each article needs to become featured. -- daadheekesh 20:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

ruholla khomaini needs a rewrite because of grammar . Deeptrivia 14:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No surprise lol, I wrote the page.raaja Rambaat karo 00:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

yooesae bot

This is what Eukeshji wrote:

I have the database of Ganeshbot and also of all cities of Nepal. However, I am having my exams right now. So, will be able to work on that after a week. Also, if soemone has database of other entities (cities, rivers) please provide it to me. I am also working on US cities that can add 10,000 articles. However, its upto the community to decide whether to let me create those articles. There is another bot in English which creates articles about American cities (I forgot the name sorry abt that). If someone can get me that database, it would be even better. Also, I am working on satellites and redierction bots. If someone can lend me a hand, please feel free to do so. Thank you.--yukesh 16:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

What is the opinion of the samaaj?--vulfvaarta 09:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

My thought is that they need to be fully translated to Hindi before being created as articles. Setting them up as user subpages like Ganeshbot did on and translating them there before merging them in might work. - taiksavaala 17:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually translating them will be easier in the database itself. I can start working on that if it can be sent over email to me. longhairandabeard_AT_yahoo_DOT_com. -- daadheekesh 19:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
What kind of translation it would be? Would it be mere stubs or some contents? As there was discussion on improving quality not quantity, we should not add large number of stub articles through bot. --mitul 20:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the concern was more with one-liner articles that add no encyclopedic value at all. A proper stub provides a definition of the subject and is big enough not to be entirely useless. Ganeshbot makes stubs that have enough content to provide some value. See, for example, en:Dharuhera. There is definition, geographic information (including location on a map), and demographic information. This information should be enhanced, of course, through manual editing, but even this would be useful as a starting point for someone who searched for the name of the town. -- daadheekesh 00:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
aadhaar ke kvaaliti ke baare mein yukesh ye bolte hai: They are similar to the articles created by Ganeshbot. Its legitimate stub but still its stub. I just wanted to express that we can create similar articles, but its upto the community to decide whether we need them or not. I think that it is a good idea. The stubs' content would be like this: bpy:টaa্aaরaaিaaপ কaaাaaউaaনaa্aaটaaি, সaaাaaউaaথ ডaaাaaকaaোaaটaaা. Please have a look at this: Botopedia! So many different countries' legitimate content stub bots! Please give your thoughts!!!--vulfvaarta 09:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
We can start working on the bot. We can create the database (it takes a lot of time to transliterate) also I am working on the locator-map. I didnt know about the botopedia project and wikidata thing. I think all the indic scrpits should work together to transliterate it piece by piece and use software like girgit for inter-transliteration. Using or not using the data to create the articles might be an option but I think it is mandatory for us to have such databases in devnagari or any of the indic scripts. We should not lag in having such databases. Thanks.--yukesh 16:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
If someone clicks Special:Random and a city page comes up, at least seeing ganeshbot's pages there will be a little content there, however right now, we generally get one liners solets try and do this as fast as we can.raaja Rambaat karo 17:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Important to the Community

With a stroke of luck, I have found the system files for the Hindi Wikipedia interface. I have been luck enough to change the template namespace to saaaincha, and now it is the time to choose whether to user Hindu numbers (123) or Devanagari numbers (123) in all automated dates and years etcetera. I have set up a poll. Please sign your preferred box, and leave a comment. Thank you.

naam samarthan
Europeeya hindu-arabi sankhya
  • vulfvaarta 15:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • taiksavaala 17:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
devanaagari sankhya
jo sankhya pratham prayog huva hai use rakhake dusara sankhya ko ridirekt karna
  • yukesh 16:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Here is the current file: Please choose as soon as possible, since the new software update will go up in a few days.--vulfvaarta 15:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a bit of information to help you make up your mind (:-) from my point of view): the Government of India and almost ALL major Hindi news websites use the Roman numerals, and we have already made all date articles (1 January-25 December) and year articles (e.g. 1805) with the Roman numerals.--vulfvaarta 17:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to vote for consistency. But then we need to decide what numerals to use as a whole in the wiki, including the date articles, and dates within articles. Is there a consensus on that yet? Also, the enwiki places great emphasis on the fact that wikipedia is NOT a democracy. So instead of a poll, we should call it consensus building or something similar, with the objective of getting everyone (not just a simple majority) to see one side of the issue. So, please also explain your reasons for supporting either one, so that others can make a more 'informed' decision. -- daadheekesh 17:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Well our website does not matter as we can move the pages. I dont have much access to the Hindi text but most of the Varanashi based Hindi text that I see here in Nepal are written in Devnagari including the numbers. Thanks. --yukesh 17:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I travelled to Kolkata recently and found almost no trace of numerals written in Devanagari in Hindi. Also, as I said earlier, almost every Hindi news website uses Hindi numerals, The Government of India does and so does the keindreeya hindi nideshaalaya, the official Hindi regulator: have a look at information about them: and their main website: Thank you.--vulfvaarta 09:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
If the oficial regulator of Hindi dictates the use of Roman numeral, there is no point in discussion. We have to use the Roman numerals.Thanks.--yukesh 01:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, shall I request it now then?--vulfvaarta 07:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I , think we should use devnaagri numerals--sumit sinhavaarta

As daadheekeshaji said, please explain why. I have explained why I believe we should use roman (because the official regulator hindi nideshalaya and Bhaarat sarkaar uses it). shukriya, aur vikipeediya par aapka svaagat hai!--vulfvaarta 07:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Hindi is not just language of India it is also used in many other countries hence if Indian gov doesn't uses dev numerals then it doesn't means the we all also stop using dev numerals . the place from where i am is lko in UP here i see many ppl using dev numerals even UP education board uses dev numerals . my mean is tht we must use Hindi as the way it is not by modifying it I would again say that essence of hindi are related to hindi numerals--sumit sinhavaarta

Can you please show some official regulation/source? By the way, my geographic skills aren't that good... out of interest, where are Lko and UP?--vulfvaarta 14:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Although I dont have any official source but I studied in Indian school and those students who studied Hindi used Devnagari script for Hindi. I think we can write a letter to a few official regulators and see what they have to say on that. Maybe Purnika Barmanjee can help us out in this. Thanks. Btw UP=Uttar Pradesh (it is northern state of India south to Nepal) lko=>maybe Lucknow???.--yukesh 16:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Well this is what Sumitji wrote on my user talk page:
I and for using Devanagari numerals my suggestion is that Hindi is not just language of India it is also used in many other countries hence if Indian gov doesn't uses dev numerals then it doesn't means the we all also stop using dev numerals . the place from where i am is lko in UP here i see many ppl using dev numerals even UP education board uses dev numerals .
Now, UP is in India (not any other country). Let me rephrase my question then: "What does the majority of the Hindi-writing world use? Are there any more official regulations?--vulfvaarta 17:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, this is what Magical Saumy (one of the first on this Wikipedia) had to say:
Use the international form of the Hindu-Arabic numerals (1,2,3 instead of 1,2,3), as used by the Constitution and the Government of India (even for Hindi).
--vulfvaarta 17:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
What is the protocol on other wikipediae, especially Indian languages'?Maquahuitl
Marathi = Dev., Sanskrit = Dev., Urdu = Hindu-Arabic, Nepali = Dev. (but in automated things Hindu-Arabic), Kashmiri = Dev/Hindu-Arabic, Gujarati = Guj., Romani = Hindu-Arabic, Sinhala = Hindu-Arabic, Sindhi = Hindu-Arabic, Bhojpuri = Hindu-Arabic/Dev., Pali = Dev., Punjabi = Pun.. But, the languages which use their original form of numerals use the original form widely outside Wikipedia. Also, the usage of Hindu-Arabic numerals is by Bhaarat sarkaar, keindreeya hindi nideshaalaya and keindreeya hindi sansthaan.--vulfvaarta 13:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Shall I request it now then?--vulfvaarta 13:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Well I advocate sticking with Devanagari numerals, since all other wikipidiae which have their own numerals use it. Still among the small-city population Devanagari numerals are popular.

Maquahuitl 10:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

But I don't think that is the point, what other Wikipedias use. I think what is most important is what the majority of Hindi writers use.--vulfvaarta 14:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

And also, we have lots of pages; for example 1885 and 25 December which have already been made with the Hindu-Arabic numerals. Is it worth changing all of them. But sorry, I have gone off the point. I believe that the majority of Wikipedias use what their official regulator(s) recommend. Is this not true?--vulfvaarta 12:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that we need to use what is officially accepted. If we have a lot of confusion, we can request the official bodies of Hindi to clear up the issue. We need to know whether both systems are accepted or only one of the two is accepted. If they have a certain system for it, we HAVE TO follow it. If they say that both the Devnagari and Hindu-Arabic adapted by Latin are acceptable, we can form a consensus and use whatever is more comfortable for us. Thanks.--yukesh 15:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, we can never leave either of them. When someone writes in Hindi, he uses 1,2,3 etc. Most of our literature, like Ramayana etc and most publications use devnagari numerals like Geeta Press etc. Since, Roman Numerals are also being used now-a-days (Hinglish Culture), we need a space for them also in Hindi Wikipedia. Let's pick one and let's not ignore the other one. Let me explain... We can create 1885, 1886 etc pages with #REDIRECT# command to 1885, 1886 and I don't think it's bad. We can use roman numerals predominantly and should have a way to change to devnagari numerals at any point. But it would be wrong to just pick one and ignore the other one completely. It should just be left optional to users to pick whatever scheme of numerals they choose, what we can do is to convert and show in one consistent scheme on the page. Moreover, it does not really affect the quality of article.

Thanks maneesh vashishth - 24 aprail ya 24 aprail

I am sorry to have to disagree with you, but I believe that we should stick to one scheme. :-( vulfvaarta 16:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

kaafi samay se Bhaarat sarkaar aur sambandhit vibhaagon dvaara roman ankon ko hindi mein maanyata de di gayi hai. (shaayad 1965 ka aaspaas, theek taareekh aur kis aadesh ke tahat di gayi yeh mujhe abhi yaad naheen hai par isko dhooaindha ja sakta hai.) sarkaari dastaavejon, patra-patrikaaon yahaaain tak ki saahityik patrikaaon jaise jnyaaanodaya, vaagarth (kaagaji sanskaran mein) aur hans [1] bhi roman ankon ka prayog hota hain. jaagaran [2], vebaduniya [3] aur amar ujaala[4] roman ankon ka prayog kar rahe hai. abhivyakti [5] aur anubhooti [6] mein bhi roman ankon ka prayog kiya gaya hai. anek pramukh hindi prakaashakon jaise hindi book center[7], raajapaal end sons, bhaarateeya jnyaaanapeeth aur kitaabaghar prakaashan dvaara bhi roman ankon ka prayog kiya jaata hai. Delhi se prakaashit hone waali Bhaarat sarkaar ke keindreeya hindi nideshaalaya ki saahityik patrika 'bhaasha' aur Lucknow se prakaashit hone waali soochana evam janasanpark vibhaag ki patrika 'uttar pradesh' mein bhi roman ankon ka hi prayog kiya jaata hai. yadyapi ek pramukh hindi patrika 'kaadanbini' aaj bhi devanaagari ankon ka prayog kar rahi hain aur vyaktigat taurapar mujhe devanaagari ankon se bahut prem hai (main bhi Lucknow ki hooain sumit) par mere vichaar se bahumat, pramaanikta aur ekaroopata ke liye vikipeediya mein roman ankon ka prayog theek rahega. -- poornima varman 19:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Some points to note-
1. Please don't go by what people "popularly" use. If popular usage is a justified criterion then we don't need a Hindi and an Urdu wikipedia; just having a "Hindustani" wikipedia in a language full of English words should be the choice since that is that common usage. 'Registered Hindi' is spoken absolutely nowhere in the country, but still that is what we strive for here. Secondly this popularity argument is very shallow because it only takes into account the people of big cities whereas majority of our population lives in small towns and villages.
2. We are facing this problem because decimal system was invented in India and that is why wikipedia policy on this issue of other Indian languages and Arabic/Persian etc. IS an issue. If they are using native numerals, then why is it so. It cannot be that European decimal numerals have not made inroads into other lingual territories of India. Therefore what other Indian language wikipediae are using IS an issue. Even more so because we Indian language wikipediae are trying to co-ordinate. How can then this thing be ignored.
3. Somebody said that Devanagari numerals are not used in Kolkata. While somebody else is claiming that the Indian Government is also not using it. A small point that I would like to make is that Devanagari not being used in Kolkata then it is of no consequemce since it is not a Hindi speaking area. Secondly, Indian government is no final authority on Hindi because as somebody said Hindi is spoken all over the world, especially in countries like Suriname, Mauritius etc. World Hindi conference has been held several times in Suriname.As far as GoI is concerned, then it also considers Hindi and Urdu as different languages. Does that make it true?
4. A lot of people in Hindi speaking areas, especially those of small towns use Devanagari letters. Since wikipedia is a people's initiative, this must be taken into account.
5. I support Manish's proposal of having redirects. We cannot completely ignore the other system either but we must stick to the spirit of Hindi. If in vocabulary then why not in number system.
6. Purnima ji, please don't give a reference of Amar Ujala or Dainik Jagran. They use a language extremely polluted with English. Why are we then striving here for a high standard of Hindi?
Also guys, the name of the English numerals is Hindu-Arabic numerals, not Roman numerals. Roman numerals are different. :) Maquahuitl 08:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
No offence meant but I think that there might be more people who understand and use Hindi in Kolkata (let alone West Bengal) than in Surinam, Mauritius and Trinidad combined. Thanks. --yukesh 16:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
main bhi Maquahuitl ke vichaaron se sahamat hooain. kaaran yeh hai ki maan leejiye ham Hindu-Arabic numerals/Roman numerals ko maanak maan bhi lein par fir bhi kaafi saare sadasya devanaagari numerals ka prayog karte raheinge aur vikeepeediya mein hamesha incosistency bani rahegi. maneesh vashishth 12:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I do not speak Hindi very well, but I would like to ask if Hindi is polluted with English nowadays? And also, since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, can we have some examples of what other Hindi encyclopedias use? Also, I do not think that Wikipedia should be a way to preserve traditional Hindi. Also, Hindi is used a lot in Kolkata, and even some Hindi newspapers are published there. Oh, and people also live in the megacities. But just I can not decide here, I am no-one here at Wikipedia with my very low Hindi level. What does Mitulji and the others have to say?--vulfvaarta 15:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Come on guys, lets cut it out yaar! Lets not take it personally. We are all equals here and Wolfji please remove that I am no-one part, you singlehandedly transformed a lot in Hindi wikipedia. OK, here is my say. The British and the Americans had a similar problem with the use of the English spelling and according to what I know, they have decided to maintain the article in the form in which it is written first and the other form to be redirected to the page. If we do not want a consensus on this thing, we can do the same here. Thanks. --yukesh 15:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, that's a good idea, but what do we do inside articles. Actually, I should have listened to what you said earlier. We should write a letter to keindreeya hindi nideshaalaya. That is what Marathi Wikipedia did when they had some spelling problem I think. Look at this: mr:vikipeediaa:chaavadi/junee_charchaa_8#A_help_request. We should write the letter in Hindi. Who could help create the letter at this page maybe: vikipeediya:hindu arabi va devanaagari ank vivaad. What do you think?--vulfvaarta 16:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are the contact addresses which can be of use: - they don't have an e-mail adress, but they have a nai Delhi post address, fax and phone.--vulfvaarta 16:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that we need to write to Hindi nirdeshanalaya. We need to ask whether they accept both systems or only a single system. If they say that they strongly accept only Hindu Numeral Latinized system (and not Roman), I think that it might be better to follow them unless someone comes up with another organization (which regulates Hindi) with a command and authenticity greater than this organization. However, if they say that both systems are acceptable, lets use first come first serve basis. As regards the use of numbers in the content, they stay in their form which was originally written. Thanks.--yukesh 16:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

devanaagari ya roman anko ka prayog!! yeh prashn pahane bhi mujhe aaya tha. taareekho ke lekh banaate samay shaayad. tab kuchh logo ki rai li aur roman ko devanaagari ke upar chuna. adhiktar jagah roman anko ka prayog hota hai, is tark par. aur tab se lekho par roman anko ka prayog karta aa raha hooain, visheshat: jahaaain taareekho ka prayog hota hai. yeh mere liye thoda asuvidhaajanak saabit hua hai. jab bhi anko ka prayog karna hota hai to angreji aur hindi likhne ke beech adal-badal karna hota hai. ab agar ham devanaagari anko ko maanak banaate hai to jahaaain-jahaaain roman anko ka prayog hua hai, use badalna hoga. dono hi mushkil hai. roman anko ka prayog jaari rakhana kam mushkil lagta hai. so, mera mat roman anko ko maanak banaae rakhane me hai.
Devnagari numerals or Roman!! seemed an old question to me. Probably, when I had to create date articles. Consulted few people and choose roman over devnagari, because it was more widely used. Since then I have been using roman numerals, specially for dates. It has been little inconvenient for me. Whenever I have to use numerals, I have to switch between hindi-english typing. Now, if we favor devnagari over roman, we had to change wherever we used roman. Both are difficult. It seems to be less difficult to carry on using roman numerals. So, I think we should keep using roman numerals.--mitul 21:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not a Hindi native speaker, but I would like to give some imput about this issue. I think we should take care not to be taken away by .new and fast changing habits. Speaking Hinglish has become a fashion, as using Hindu-Arabic numerals has too. That should not be a criteria for choosing which numerals are used here. Let get proper advice for knowledge people, i.e. universities, Hindi writers, etc. Also changing what is used upto now should not be a criteria. I am ready to help moving all date and year articles if needed. Regards, Yann 18:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I have changed roman to Hindu numerals. Roman refers to VII, IV, XCM, and so on, not 1,2,3.raaja Rambaat karo 02:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Instead of writing to universities and Hindi writers it would be most appropiate to write to keindreeya hindi nideshaalaya ( Kendriya Hindi Nideshalaya, "Central Hindi Directorate") or keindreeya hindi sansthaan (, Kendriya Hindi Sansthan "Central Hindi Organisation"), the official regulators of Hindi, of which I gave the contact details earlier in the discussion.--vulfvaarta 07:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
This is an endless debate. I withdraw from my stance of using Devanagari numerals and propose that let the articles who have already used some particular numeral system be as they are. New articles will use whatever the editor wishes to use. The only need here is that articles with titles having numbers(like years' articles) use one system for consistency. Maquahuitl 08:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
So what do we do with the automated date/time stamp (08:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC))?--vulfvaarta 07:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

mujhe lagta hai ki devanaagari sankhyaaon ka istemaal karna chaahiye. jaise ki yaan kehta hai angreji sankhyaaeain sirf aaj ka shauk hai aur jo likh chuka hai vah ham bahut aasaani se badal sakte hain. aur yeh bhi hai ki likhte samay hindi aur angreji keebord ke beech adal-badal karta rahana mushkil hai. bairnaar 13:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

mujhe lagta naheen hai jo hindi aur angreji keebord ke beech adal-badal mushkil hai kaaran anek hindi taaiping system hai jo deefault roop se hindu arabi ank instauld hai. aur aaj ka shauk to kya? tab kyon ham khadi-boli hindi abhyaas karta hain? kyon sanskrut-hindi abhyaas karta naheen hain? jaise: lekh - nibandh, khaas - vishesh, laug in - satraaranbh, laug out - satraant, panna - prushth, jnyaaanakosh - vishvajnyaaanakosh/vishvakosh, ityaadi. mera vichaar hai to ham keindreeya hindi nideshaalaya ko ek chittha bhejata hai. prashn hai: ek mukt aur muft vishvajnyaaanakosh jo sabhi ko sanpaadan kar sakta hai par kya devanaagari ya hindu arabi ank abhyaas karna sambhav hai? main yeh charcha mein aage sabhi yogaayog deetels deta tha. jo chittha ko likhta hai, krupaya yahaaain aaraambh karein: vikipeediya:hindu arabi athva devanaagari ank vivaad (Hindu Arabic or Devanagari numerals dispute). dhanyavaad.--vulfvaarta 15:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that all the South Asian Wikipedias have used what is used widely (not everywhere) outside Wikipedia.--vulfvaarta 15:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Again the same popularity argument. I am saying it again that if popularity is the basis then why at all are we asking "Hindi" words for this and that here? The kind of language we are trying to use on Hindi wiki is spoken nowhere at all. The "popular" language which is supposedly called Hindi consists of at least one-third of English vocabulary. In fact there is more difference between Hariyanvi and Standard Hindi than between Urdu and Hindi at the spoken level. Then why the need for separate Hindi and Urdu wikipediae?

And why do we always judge popularity by the big cities. In small cities/towns and villages, the literate people still use Devanagari numerals. (As I have said, this debate is endless. Just leave the system as it is. Use redirects.)Maquahuitl 21:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

When someone searches on Google, what form will they use?--vulfvaarta 10:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Finally! I get an "official" article on this!

Finally, I have found an "official" article about this: in Hindi or in English.

Here is the extract in English:

(1) The official language of the Union shall be Hindi in Devnagari script. The form of numerals to be used for the official purposes of the Union shall be the international form of Indian numerals. (2) Notwithstanding anything in clause (1), for a period of fifteen years from the commencement of this Constitution, the English language shall continue to be used for all the official purposes of the Union for which it was being used immediately before such commencement:

Provided that the President may, during the said period, by order authorise the use of the Hindi language in addition to the English language and of the Devnagari form of numerals in addition to the internationl form of Indian numerals for any of the official purposes of the Union.

(3) Notwithstanding anything in this article, Parliament may be law provide for the use, after the said period of fifteen years, of-

(a) the English language, or (b) the Devnagari form of numerals,

for such purposes as may be specified in the law.

and in Hindi:

anuchhed 343. sangh ki raajabhaasha--

(1) sangh ki raajabhaasha hindi aur lipi devanaagari hogi, sangh ke shaasakeeya prayojanon ke liye prayog hone vaale ankon ka roop bhaarateeya ankon ka antarraashtreeya roop hoga.

(2) khand (1) mein kisi baat ke hote hue bhi, is samvidhaan ke praarambh se pandrah varsh ki avadhi tak sangh ke un sabhi shaasakeeya prayojanon ke liye angreji bhaasha ka prayog kiya jaata rahega jinke liye usaka aise praarambh se theek pehle prayog kiya ja raha tha :

parantu raashtrapati ukt avadhi ke dauraan, aadesh dvaara, sangh ke shaasakeeya prayojanon mein se kisi ke liye angreji bhaasha ke atirikt hindi bhaasha ka aur bhaarateeya ankon ke antarraashtreeya roop ke atirikt devanaagari roop ka prayog praadhikrut kar sakega.

(3) is anuchhed mein kisi baat ke hote hue bhi, sansad ukt pandrah varsh ki avadhi ke pashchaat‌, vidhi dvaara

(k) angreji bhaasha ka, ya

(kh) ankon ke devanaagari roop ka,

aise prayojanon ke liye prayog upabandhit kar sakegi jo aisi vidhi mein vinirdisht kiye jaaen.

Please give your comments.--vulfvaarta 15:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I also found this:
jaisa ki samiti ka sujhaav hai kendreeya mantraalayon ka hindi prakaashanon mein antarraashtreeya ankon ke atirikt devanaagari ankon ke prayog ke sambandh mein ek aadhaarbhoot neeti apnaai jaae, jiska nirdhaaran is aadhaar par kiya jaae ki ve prakaashan kis prakaar ki janta ke liye hain aur usaki vishyavastu kya hai. vaigyaanik, audyogik aur saankhyikeeya prakaashanon mein, jismein kendreeya sarkaar ka bajat sambandhi saahitya bhi shaamil hai, baraabar antarraashtreeya ankon ka prayog kiya jaae.
Numerals - As suggested by the Committee, a uniform basic policy should be adopted for the use of Devanagari numerals, in addition to the international numerals, in the Hindi publications of the Central Ministries depending upon the public intended to be addressed and the subject-matter of the publication. For scientific, technical and statistical publications, including the international numerals should be adopted uniformly in all publications.
here: (English) and (Hindi).--vulfvaarta 15:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
That looks as good as we're going to get. I think we should use the Hindu-Arabic numerals described by the government as Indian International Numerals. They're essentially India developed anyway. But I will also defer to others if they prefer to keep using the devanagari numerals. - taiksavaala 17:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
If you're using the popularity argument, then why not have a proper vote here as well? Create a page and keep it open to vote till say, 100 votes. Maquahuitl 21:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think anyone is using the popularity argument, and I still don't think a vote will be a good idea. I had thought I will get others' comments before voting either way. I still think there are two distinct issues here - which numbers to use inside articles, and which ones to use for internal Wikipedia pages and automated dates (those at the end of signatures, for example.)
The above links posted by Wolfji do clear up the issue of what numerals to use inside articles - technical articles use Hindu-Arabic numerals, others use whatever is seen fit for the reading audience. I suppose that will mean using Devanagari numerals in articles on literature, history, biographies, geography etc. But that discretion should be left to the original article creator (similar to the English vs American spelling debate).
However, this still leaves the question of what numerals to use in internal Wikipedia pages and automated dates. I guess for this issue the 'audience' will be the contributors, since they are the ones mostly looking at the automated numbers. So I propose we look at it from a different angle - which one of the two are the contributors (present and future) more (or less) comfortable working with. I am comfortable with both, as are most of the current contributors, I think. As for future contributors, most of those in India with internet access know both numerals. Actually, even some Hindi-speaking educated folks might have trouble with Devanagari numerals, especially those educated in English medium schools. I am sure the contributors coming from outside India are more likely have a problem with Devanagari numerals, while Hindu-Arabic numerals are almost globally known.
So, my vote(s) - technical articles use Hindu-Arabic numerals, keep it flexible for other articles; Hindu-Arabic numerals for automated numbers. -- daadheekesh 16:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have completely changed my mind now. Dadhikeshji's idea is great, or, since I have been doing a bit of research in both books and on the Internet, I think the usage of Devanagari numerals is good. Devanagari numerals are used in more formal and important content; and what is more formal and important than an encyclopedia? aapka vichaar kya hai?--vulfvaarta 16:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

But then again, so much work has been done in Hindu Arabic numerals. Or, you could use saaaincha:sankhya... roll your mouse over this: <font-color="gray">1000? But Dadhikheshji's idea is probably the best.--vulfvaarta 14:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Insert a phonetic toolbar

fonetik pranaali ko jaldi se jaldi hindi veekeepidiya me laane ka prayaas keejiye . yeh bada achha upaaya hoga | means people who want to contribute in hindi but do not know how to write in hindi on internet will also be contributing jab aap(administrators) phonetic toolbar insert karna to vishaal pad:see se idea lena naa bhuliyega isme jab aap koi shabd type karte hai to yah apne aap 'a' ki matra ko jod deta hai isse ant me 'a' nahi type karna padta eg : normaly kisi aur pad pe aap type karenge sumita for writing sumit but on vishal pad u need to type only sumit --sumit sinhavaarta

I am actually trying to maintain a single input system for all the Devnagari wikipediae. While the Vishaaljee's system looks good for Hindi, its not suitable for Nepal Bhasa as there are a lot of words in Nepal Bhasa which end in half letters. If there are more advantages of having Vishaljee's system, we can use it as well. Also, the phonetic system that I have used is very similar to Gamabhana system. So, we might need to add a few lines for Baraha and itrans users which are the two of the most used systems, as far as I know. If someone likes to try out the phonetic system, it is available at Nepal Bhasa wikipedia. Please suggest and comment about the phonetic system esp about its limitations. Thank you. --yukesh 16:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I think something similar to (Guruji; click on hindi) would be good. Eukeshji, would you be able to develop something like that?--vulfvaarta 15:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Boy, we do follow a lot of input systems. I thought it was just itrans, gamabhana and baraha! I would really be grateful if you people could have a look at the input system in Nepal Bhasa and tell me what is needed to improve it. If it is radically different from what you people need, please notify me. Thanks.--yukesh 16:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, here's my suggestion:

a aa i E u oo ri A ai O au o ऍ (in case of writing Marathi)

a A/aa i I/ee u U/oo rri e AI o AU O E

k kh g gh ङ

k kh g gh NG

ch chh j jh nya

ch/c chh j jh NY

t th the dh na

T Th d dh n

p f b bh m

p ph/f b bh m

ya r l va

y r l v/w

sh sh s h

sh/S Sh s h

k kh g za d dh f l

q Kh G z R Rh F L

ain n : . .

^ M H ../.` . ,, `.

ksh jnya ank ang

kSh Gy nk ng

For example: writing mAikrosOFT should produce maaikrosauft, writing vishwaGyaanakoSh should produce vishvajnyaaanakosh. And you shouldn't need to write a after every word (as Sumitji said) to get rid of the Halant/Viram. What do you think?--vulfvaarta 17:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

In my view it is good try this from vishaal pad:seechitr:HindiMap.jpg --sumit sinhavaarta

I have been a bit busy lately so couldnt answer here. The phonetic script shares soruce with all other wikipediae enabled in Devnagari i.e. Nepal Bhasa, Nepali, Pali, Bhojpuri, Kashmiri and Marathi wiktionary. The use of automatic completion of last letter is not suitable for Nepal Bhasa and Nepali as there are a lot of words which end in half form such as y, han, garhan, jhan etc. Also, Vishal pad does not have input for some of the characters used in Kashmiri. Plus, the use of inout outside the alphabetic characters should be as limited as possible as they have specific functions. eg- the use of pipe (|) prevented many actions so we had to change it. So, as far as possible, lets try to minimize the use of ^ / etc. About the use of c and ch for ch , I am working on it (I am not a programmer and no where even close to programming world and operate by hit and trial method so it takes time for me to come up with something). About the use of NG, NY, I think that after using the phonetic system for a while, you will feel the need to remove the N from both as the typing is too slow with phonetic system. Typing an extra N slows it even more. One cannot have both NG and G for ङ for the same technical limitation as for ch and c at the moment. I dont know much abt nufta, so I allocated a separate space for it just like in Gamabhana. Currently, we are using x for ksh. I think we can include ksh as well. Besides these, there are a few technical limitations and task of incorporation of all Devnagari symbols is still not complete. The current input system is just a beginning. We have a long way to go. For the logn term management of the Devnagari input system, I have started a page in Metawiki. I hope we can have participation from all Devnagari communities there and enhance our input system. Thank you.--yukesh 16:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't find the following consistent- A=e ऎ=E. In fact it should be other way round since the first one is long and the second one short. Same for O/ऒ. f=fa? jh=za?. Incorrect. Also how is jnya=Jha? Also y cannot be = Ya. Its pronounciation is that of 's' in 'vision'.Maquahuitl 11:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, the input system is supposed to be hinghly influenced by phonetic system but not dictated by it. The aim is to ease the input of Devnagari. A is used more often than ऎ, so it is prudent to use e than E (with shift pressed) for the former. Same for O/ऒ and fa (simpler than pha). If z is idle (no devnagari keys assigned), it is better to have jh assigned to z with additional jh for the same as well (phonetic based system are very slow to type and assignment of z reduces typing one more letter). I think that Jha for jnya might be a bit less suitable. It is usually pronounced as Gya in the north and Jna in the south. I have no idea of the use of nuftas so no comments on Ya. Plus, one suggestion for Mawuahuitljee and others, no offence meant but please tone down a little when commenting on the input systems. I dont personally know Vishaljee or Omkar Joshijee of Gamabhana or any other people who are developing these systems. However, these people are generally young programmers who are striving hard for the survival of Devnagari. They work day and night for the input system and provide their product to us, free of cost. And we respond by labelling them "incorrect" and other such terms. Its a bit counter-productive at times. So, I think it might be a good idea to discuss what input system should be in place like this and then suggest about it to the programmer/developer. Please pardon me if I have offended anyone. Thanks. --yukesh 15:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
yukesh plz insert th tolbar quickly the shortcommings will be disscused after u will insert th toolbar--sumit sinhavaarta

Criterion for listing on left hand side

English wiki lists wikis with more than 25,000 articles. Is there any criterion for selection here?

I suggest we have two lists(one below the other), one of which has all the Indian languages listed. Maquahuitl 10:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That is a good idea, but we need to program it then. Also, the English one doesn't list the Germanic languages and the Swedish doesn't list the Scandinavian languages. But still, I think it's a good idea. Can you program it for us?--vulfvaarta 15:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


dear , administrators how other wikipediae like marathimarathi:seehave put many buttons in their edit window?If it can be done here also ,plz do it.--sumit sinhavaarta

The more buttons we put the longer it takes to load the page. So, lets put the edit buttons judiciously. I have been experimenting with edit buttons in Nepal Bhasa. I think it would not be much problem for us to have all the edit keys of Marathi wikipedia, but do we really need all of them? Please comment. Thank you. --yukesh 16:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
aisi koi atiaavashyakta nahi hai | dhanyavaad--sumit sinhavaarta


shreni:fiji bhaartiye log ka naam fiji nivaasit bhaarateeya vyakti rakh dena chaahiye .
aur 'redirectedfrom' => '($1 se bheja gaya)',
se 'redirectedfrom' => '($1 se anupreshit kiya gaya)',
kar dena chaahiye | --sumit sinhavaarta

How about punarnirdesh for redirect (as Marathi/Bengali have used)? But I don't know Hindi to well, so I think changing bhejana to anupreshit is a good idea.--vulfvaarta 13:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC) is vebapej par ja kar redirect ka arth dekhein do arth diye hai par unka vaakyon me prayog ka jo udaaharan diya hai use samjhein to paaenge ki anupreshit jyaada saahi hai .--sumit sinhavaarta
punarnirdeshit sounds very correct and quite understandable to an average Hindi speaker. anupreshit is rather heavy and afaik not needed. Maquahuitl 10:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
punarnirdeshit is a wrong term to be used here as it means something re-constructed (something like tht but anupreshit which is accurate means sending from one address to another see in the link provided above--sumit sinhavaarta
pun: = again, nirdeshan= direction then I don't understand how it is wrong. Maquahuitl 03:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Mr.Maquahuitl, please follow this link and type 'redirect' in the text box the meaning(s)(must be said translation) which u will see would be having a sentence written by their side . kindly,read them . then u will encounter the correct word for rediect(to be used here) i.e. anupreshit .and it is also understandable thanks for reading - --sumit sinhavaarta

sumit ji donon shabd sahi hain par punarnirdeshit adhik saral hai aur sabhi log ise aasaani se samajh jaayeinge. anupreshit ka prayog is sandarbh mein utana saamaanya naheen prateet hota.
--maneesh vashishth
Guys this is a done deal, I have already used "anupreShita" as the default word for redirect per the Mumbai dictionary. See {{shreneeanupreshit}}.raaja Rambaat karo 02:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
'shreni:fiji bhaartiye log' ka naam 'shreni:fiji nivaasit bhaarateeya vyakti' rakh dena chaahiye Please give your views on this topic also --sumit sinhavaarta
shreni:aavaaj lekh's name shall be changed to shreni:shruti . shruti's meaning is "Knowledge in The form of speech".Express your views --sumit sinhavaarta

Slow progress of Hindi wikipedia

Hindi wikipedia is stuck up at the last spot of the 10,000 list and more and more wikis are passing by it. Among Indian languages Tamil which was recently 8,000 has now almost equalled Hindi and Nepal Bhasha has left Hindi far behind. Something needs to be done :) Maquahuitl 17:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

mera vichaar vahi naheen hai. hindi vikipeediya ke liye 10,000 lekh ek bahoot achha top-spot hai, aur ab sab sadasya lekhon ke kvaaliti par fokas de rahe hai. jaise ab vikipeediya par kreeb-kreeb 3 nirvaachit lekh hai, ye hai raamaayan (yeh nirvaachit hai), mahaadevi varma (abhi aalochna ho raha hai tasveerein ki baare mein yeh dekhe) aur satyajit rai (ismein sirf do pairagraaf anuvaad kar zaroori hai, aur laal linkon ki neela karna). ab mahaadevi varma ki ek bahoot achhi kvaaliti lekh ki silekshan hai, aur naya sadasya (jaise sumit sinha) bhi achhe lekh banaate hain. lekhon ke kvaaliti ke hisaav se (ek-vaakya lekh ityaadi) 10,325 lekh ki sankhya mera vichaar mein kaafi hai :-).--vulfvaarta 17:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing. Its been a bit slow at the moment. But then, the regular editors are working on polishing the articles that are present at the moment. One of our commitments was to increase the depth and quality rather than number after reaching 10k. I am the only contributor in Nepal Bhasa. I have been using bots there to create meaningful stubs. Once we reach a state where we have double digits of featured articles and after expanding most of the oneliners, we can proceed ahead with those articles here. So, the next time you see the list, simply add 5000 articles more to Hindi and compare! :) --yukesh 17:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
My concern was light hearted and not very serious :)- you could have made that out probably by the smiley there at the end.
This quality versus quantity debate often comes up. I would say neither is unimportant. But the problem is when to look for quality and when to increase quantity. I repeat what I said in the earlier archive. It is a decent proposal in this regard. The FA percentage on English wikipedia is 0.077% or approximately 0.08%. We can aim a 0.1% FA article figure which will mean that we should have had about 10 FA by now or by English figure about 8 FAs. So current concern should be quality definitely. (I know I am talking too much, but I am just waiting for my exams to get over. I definitely hope to translate a lot of FAs from WP India in English wiki in the summers :).) Maquahuitl 20:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that quality is more important here.I think, having 10,338 articles itself is great achievement. Quantity as a statistic does encourage you to contribute and take it to higher level. Hindi wikipedia is at no 60 in number of articles. Out of those 10000+ articles we have only 3200+ articles that contain at least one internal link and 200 (ja,ko,zh:50) characters readable text, disregarding wiki- and html codes, hidden links, etc.; also headers do not count. I think numbers are very consistent with number of users we have. May be our focus should be to get more users and we all can help in that regard. We can suggest/promote Hindi wikipedia to our hindi speaking/knowing friends and they may want to help. We don't need any promotion from wikipedia but a collective effort from existing users to promote it.
We have one page for count, and I was wondering if we can put some of these graphs there. It's a good idea to see how Hindi wikipedia is moving and gaining momentum. With the pace we had in February-March 2007, I thought we could reach 50000 by the end of year, and we still can. But we need more contributors.
Thanks maneesh vashishth 14:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The graphs on that first link are great. Definitely show we are making progess. Badai ho to everyone. I do think that at this point higher quality articles will attract more new users than a higher number of articles. And we're definitely making strides in article improvement, so keep up the good work, and do send as many Hindi speakers as you can how to edit. - taiksavaala 22:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

vikipeediya sahayog

main yahaaain ek naya vikipeediya samaaj-prushth taiyar karta hooain antaraviki sahayog koshish karne liye. krupaya vikipeediya:vikipeediya sahayog dekhein.--vulfvaarta 15:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


Seeing the category for Category:Chinese numbered policies which includes the pancasila treaty India signed with china in 1954 I have hit a stumbling block. There is no "numbered" word in any of the five hindi dictionaries I checked. I was thinking something like "Category:cheeni neetiyaaain-A-sankhya" (chinese policies of number) but that would of course be persian-esque and urdu sounding. This is not the first nor the last time something like this will occur, so it seems fitting to discuss this now. I personally do not care whether the hindi we use is "urdu-esque" if it allows for greater flexibility. On pages I write related to Iran, I use persoarabic words liberally because they are generally found in hindi conversation as well.raaja Rambaat karo 16:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Would a good translation for Chinese policies of number be cheeni sankhyaaeain ki neetiyaaain?--vulfvaarta 07:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I would suggest either plain cheeni sankhya neetiyaaain or ginti waali cheeni neetiyaaain. -- daadheekesh 01:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
No matter what the commonalities between Hindi and Urdu be, this is one rare defining attribute which distinguishes Hindi and Urdu. In Hindi the -e- and -o- constructs, known as idafat and waw-e-atf are never used. Another rare defining attribute is the usage of Arabic and Persian plurals verbatim like afsar(officer)->afsaraan etc. in Urdu. In Hindi it is not acceptable. These things are perhaps the only few real differences between Hindi and Urdu. Maquahuitl 21:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
That's interesting. I can't seem to find any articles on the -e- and -o- constructs. For example en:idafat and en:waw-e-atf don't exist and I don't know how to spell them in devanagari. Do you have links to more info? - taiksavaala 15:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The articles aren't there because you won't have articles for such internal details of a language. You can just transliterate them as idaaft and vaao-A-atf.Maquahuitl 17:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

nirvaachit tasveer

krupaya nirvaachit tasveer mai2007 check karein. dhanyavaad.--vulfvaarta 07:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The template is protected from editing. See here for a good suggestion: vaarta:mukhaprushth. I would also suggest changing jyaada nirvaachit tasveer to anya nirvaachit tasveerein. -- daadheekesh 01:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it? On my "toolbar" there is still a button saying "surakshit kare" - which means that it isn't protected. It is only protected to those who aren't logged in (mukhaprushth cascading).--vulfvaarta 13:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I think for cascading protection the admin interface still says protect. I'm not sure that tab checks if it's already protected due to cascading protection, just regular protection. Worth filing a mediawiki bug report if there isn't already one on it. Though it seems on cascading protected pages do give me the unprotect tab, so perhaps it's due to a translation issue. saaaincha:nirvaachit tasveer mai2007 is definitely cascading protected though so non admins can't edit it. - taiksavaala 18:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion :-)! But when you tried to edit it, were you logged in?--vulfvaarta 13:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I am logged in now, it's still showing me only the source. It says it is automatically protected because it's transcluded on the main page. Maybe that's the reason. Last month I edited it before it went on the front page and had no problem. -- daadheekesh 15:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, since the Main page is protected with the cascading protection, templates transcluded on it are protected. That's a good thing for vandalism, but means that admins have to take suggestions for needed changes to those templates and actually make the edits. - taiksavaala 18:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the template, but it still says "surakshit karein" and when I click on it it takes me to the protection page.--vulfvaarta 18:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

gyaan paheli mukhaprushth par

pichhle maheene mainne vikipeediya par ek gyaan paheli shuru ki thi jiski madad se kai lekhon mein sudhaar hua. pichhle kuchh dinon se ismein josh ki kuchh kami ho gayi hai. mera sujhaav hai ki ise mukhaprushth par daala jaae, jisse yeh aur sadasyon ki najar mein aae. mainne iske panne par kuchh badlaav kiye hain jisse khula prashn aur pichhla prashn (uttar ke saath) mukhaprushth par daala ja sakta hai, is tarah -

prashn: kaalidaas ko inki patni ne ghar se yeh kah kar nikaal diya ki pandit bane bina ghar vaapis mat aana. kaali devi ki krupa se jab kaalidaas jaane-maane kavi ban gaye to vah ghar vaapis pahuainche. us samay unki patni ne kuchh kaha jise kaalidaas ne apni rachanaaon ke maadhyam se amar kar diya. yeh kya vaakya tha aur kaalidaas ne ise kaise amar banaaya? (uttar gyaan ko baato)
pichhla prashn: in logon mein kya samaanata hai ? eriyoos (en:Arius), jinedeen jidaan (en:Zinedine Zidane) , edith piyaaf (en:Éadith Piaf), muhammad shukari (en:Mohamed Choukri) , iban batoota (en:Ibn Battuta), sant egasteen (hipo vaale) (en:Augustine of Hippo). (uttar: sabhi uttari afreeka ki barbar jaati (en:Berber people) se hain ya inke poorvaj barbar the.)

jab bhi naya prashn poochha jaaega ise badal diya jaaega. isse mukhaprushth par niyamit roop se nai saamagri dikhti rahegi, aur ismein jin lekhon ka jikr hota hai unako sudhaarane ka mauka milega. iske baare mein sabka kya vichaar hai main jaanana chaahooainga. -- daadheekesh 02:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

yeh bahut achha vichaar hai main iske samarthan me huain.--sumit sinhavaarta
main jaanta naheen hooain, lekin krupaya yeh dekhe: angreji vikipeediya par "vikipeediya kya naheen hai" aur gyaan paheli ek prakaar social networking to hai. vikipeediya ke saadhaaran prushth par ho sakta hai, lekin main mukhaprushth ke liye jaanta naheen hai.--vulfvaarta 13:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
gyaan paheli social networking se zyaada saamaanya gyaan badhaane ka ek jariya hai. oopar diye link mein kaheen likha naheen hai ki triviya ya paheliyon ke panne vikipeediya ke mission se mel naheen khaate. mera vichaar hai ki yeh gyaan ko failaane ke vikipeediya ke mission se bahut mel khaata hai. saath hi hindi vikipeediya ko isse nissandeh faayda hoga. jaisa mainne oopar kaha, gyaan paheli ke pehle 6-7 prashnon se hi kai lekh nae bane aur kai aur kaafi badh gaye hain. udaaharan ke liye cheen ki mahaan deevaar, Charles dviteeya, Cathrine de braagaanja, jhaaainsi ki raani, jayant vishnu naarleekar, fred hauyal, prushiya, "rishabh", "gaandhaar", "dhaivat", "nishaad" ityaadi. -- daadheekesh 21:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
anya sabhi ka kya vichaar hai? - daadheekesh 15:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

miss world ya vishv sundari

hamako pratiyogita ka naam naheen badalna chaahiye kyonki use vaise hi sambodhit kiya jaata hai. aap logon ka kya khyaal hai? jis tarah se film shabd ka istemaal hua hai usi tarah se miss world ko usi roop mein sveekaar karna chaahiye. --the Donmeri vaarta 13:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

is baare mein donon taraf daleelein di ja sakti hain. naam vah rakha jaana chaahiye jise hindi-bhaashi janta adhik prayog karti hai. ise jaanane ka ek tareeka hai Google khoj par dekhein ki kaun sa naam hindi media mein adhik prayukt hota hai. "miss world" ke liye kareeb 500 aur "vishv sundari" ke liye kareeb 250 aur "vishv sundari" ke liye 1420 khoj parinaam hai. so mera vichaar hai ki lekh ka naam "vishv sundari" hona chaahiye aur anya naamon ko punarnirdeshit kiya jaana chaahiye. -- daadheekesh 15:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
aapka sujhaav achha hai daadheekesh ji par us hisaab se iska naam miss world hona chaahiye
miss world => 535 parinaam
vishv sundari => 239 parinaam
vishv sundari => 93 parinaam
hamako poore naam ko khojna padega . anyatha parinaam keval sundari evam vishv par bhi aadhaarit ho sakte hain. hamako double quotes mein daalkar khojna padega --the Donmeri vaarta 18:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
"vishvasundari" ka 20 parinaam hai, aur "vishvasundari" ka 13 parinaam hai.--vulfvaarta 13:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
mere khyaal se iska naam miss world evam miss yooneevars hona chaahiye . kam se kam brahmaand sundari to bilkul naheen hona chaahiye. vishv sundari ek shabd naheen hai aur is tarah prayog bhi naheen kiya jaana chaahiye. |--maneesh vashishthmeri vaarta