vikipeediya:chaupaal

vikipeediya chaupaal par aapka svaagat hai
naye aagantukon ka svaagat hai. vikipeediya ek aisa maadhyam hai jo sabhi sadasyon ke gyaan ko ek jagah ekatrit karta hai. vikipeediya ke dvaara ham sanskruti, vigyaan, kala va darshan ki jaankaari duniya bhar mein hindi padhne-likhne vaalon tak pahuaincha sakte hain. at: sahi hindi jaanane vaalon se anurodh hai ki aap ke paas yadi samay ho to apni jaankaari ko hindi mein vikipeediya par sahejein. yahaaain par vikipeediya ke sadasya vikipeediya se jude prashn poochh sakte hain. takaneeki maamalon par bhi yahaaain prashn poochhe ja sakte hai. naya mat likhne ke liye sampaadan taib par klik karein. parantu pehle skraul kar padh lein:
  • tathyaparak aur anya prakaar ke prashnon hetu khoj sandook ya rifrens desk ka prayog karein.
  • apni suraksha hetu krupaya apna E-mel ya sampark byaura yahaaain na dein. aapke uttar is prushth par hi mileinge. ham E-mel se uttar naheen dete hain.
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  • is saptaah ka sudhaar hetu lekh : vikipeediya:is saptaah ka sudhaar hetu lekh/2016/24

is pariyojana prushth ka antim sanpaadan Manojkhurana (yogadaanlaug) dvaara kiya gaya tha.

Rakesh Kumar aarya

Rakesh Kumar aarya lekh mein hahech ka saaaincha hata diya gaya aur putr ka naam "aman aarya" hataakar vyaktigat sambandhon chhipaakar hahech ko apne paksh mein karne ki koshish ki ja rahi hai. mainne pehle ki sthiti punarsthaapit ki magar kaun kya karega ye main naheen jaanta. prabandhagan krupaya jaldi hi nirnaya lein. --mujmmil (vaarta) 18:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

chakrapaani ji ke liye punareekshak pad hetu nivedan

mitron mainne yahaaain vikipeediya:punareekshak pad hetu nivedan#chakrapaani chakrapaani ji ke liye punareekshak pad hetu nivedan diya hai. aap log bhi apni rai yahaaain rakh sakte hain. --mujmmil (vaarta) 10:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

chooainki is naamaankan ko chakrapaani ji ne asveekaar kiya hai, isliye nivedan vaapas samjha gaya hai.--mujmmil (vaarta) 11:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

roman (angreji) vartani mein likhe sheershakon se devanaagari sheershakon par punarnirdeshan hetu prastaav

krupaya dhyaan dein! ham hindi vikipeediya par roman lipi mein likhe sheershakon ko saamaanyataya naheen rakhate. prastaavit vishay yeh hai ki kuchh sheershakon ke liye roman vartani se unke devanaagari sheershakon par anupreshan (punarnirdesh) banaaye ja sakte hain. udaaharan ke liye New York sheershak ko New York nagar par anupreshit kiya ja sakta hai. angreji vikipeediya par aise udaaharan upalabdh hain. udaaharan ke liye devanaagari (hindi) lipi se angreji ke sheershakon par diye gaye anupreshanon ki soochi yahaaain par dekhi ja sakti hai. mantavya yeh ki yadi aap angreji viki par devanaagari mein type karke "Jaipur" khojein to aap Jaipur ke jriye Jaipur par pahuainch jaayeinge. haalaaainki hamaare yahaaain bhi aap New Delhi se nai Delhi par pahuainch sakte hain.

kintu aise anupreshan banaane ke liye koi saaf neeti naheen hai aur aamtaur par roman se devanaagari pe kiye anupreshanon ko hata diya jaata hai. at: nimlikhit binduon par sujhaav aamantrit hain:

  • kya aise anupreshan rakhe jaane chaahiyein?
  • kya harek sheershak ke liye aisa karna uchit hoga?
  • yadi kuchhek sheershakon ke liye hi aisa karna theek ho to un sheershakon ke chunaav hetu kya maanadand hon?

sadhanyavaad! --styam mishr baatcheet 18:41, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

samarthan

  1. Symbol support vote.svg samarthan mujhe aise anupreshan rakhane ki baat theek lag rahi hai. iske ye kaaran hain:
    (k) mujhe bahut angreji terms ke liye hindi shabd ya vartani pata nahi hain, jiske kaaran main inhein hindi vikipeediya par khoj naheen pata. isliye mujhe vishay ko pehle angreji vikipeediya par khojana padta hai, aur fir wikidata entry ke jariye hindi lekh par aana padta hai. agar hindi vikipeediya par aisa ek redirection prushth hota, to main seedhe hindi vikipeediya par khoj paata. mujhe lagta hai ki doosaron ko bhi ye samasya aati hogi.
    (kh) bahut se logon ko hindi mein type karna naheen aata. par agar ve hindi vikipeediya ke search box mein angreji type kareinge to unhein lekh naheen milega.
    (g) is se Google khoj mein hindi vikipeediya ke lekh bhi dikhaai deinge. --gaurav (vaarta) 19:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

tatasth

  1. mere anusaar jaisa hai use vaisa hi rahane dein. kintu savaal yeh uthata hai ki:
  • jab english viki par hindi ke reedaayarekt rakhe ja sakte hain to hindi viki par kyon naheen?
  • aise reedaayarekt rakhane mein nuksaan kya hai?
  • aur ankon ke maamale mein main kehna chaahooainga ki arabi-hindu ankon ka hi prayog karein. sabhi badi bhaashaaon mein inhi ka prachalan hai.

jahaaain sarch engine(non) ki baat ho rahi hai mainne Google par sarch kar ke dekha hai ab ve hindi traanslitreshan tool ka prayog sarch mein bhi kar rahe hain jaise:

--- chakrapaani vaarta 08:17, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

virodh

  1. mujhe aisa karne ka koi kaaran samajh naheen aaya. Google aadi jaise sarch engine mein keval devanaagari lipi mein likha hua koi bhi lekh roman lipi mein likh kar bhi khoja ja sakta hai. main bhi kai baar roman lipi mein hi Google mein hindi srot khojata hooain aur mil bhi jaata hai. vaise yadi koi hindi vikipeediya mein bhi roman lipi mein kuchh bhi khojein to yadi lekh mein ek angreji sandarbh bhi ho to us lekh ka khoj parinaam mein naam aa jaata hai. --Sfic (vaarta) 07:37, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
  2. aisa karna bilkul bhi achhi baat naheen hai. ank bhi roman mein naheen hone chaahiye.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 07:47, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
  3. main sfik ji se sahamat hooain.--mujmmil (vaarta) 12:00, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

tippani

is tarah ke anupreshan us samay ke liye hain jab khoj karne vaale upakaran (jaise Google, Yahoo aadi) itne saksham naheen the. ab ismein kaafi sudhaar ho chuka hai at: aise anupreshanon ka mere hisaab se koi mahattv naheen hai. "New Delhi" ka "nai Delhi" par anupreshan bilkul galat hai. haaain kuchh vishesh roop se prachalit aur vishisht shabdon ka anupreshan kiya ja sakta hai lekin uske liye ek niymaavali hona thoda saarthak rahega. lekin aisi niymaavali banaana bhi apne aap mein chhota kaam naheen hai. gaurav ji, aap Google mein "new york site:hi.wikipedia.org" likhoge to hindi waali kadi hi milegi.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 20:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

hindi vikipeediya khojane maatr ke liye angreji shabd se anupreshan dene ka koi arth naheen hai. iske liye lekhon mein maita taig angreji mein diye ja sakte hain athva jab New York naamak lekh mein kaheen bhi New York likha hai to vo khojane mein aa jaayega.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 20:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
ji, filhaal vikipeediya khoj bahut jyaada buddhimaan naheen hain (Google khoj buddhimaan hai, ye mujhe chakrapaani ji ki tipnni se pata chala. dhanyavaad). vikipeediya khoj par lekh tabhi milta hai agar lekh ke andar angrejeee naam bhi likha ho. mainne vikipeediya khoj par Arkansas, Idaho, Ohio, Illinois, Arizona khoje, par sahi parinaam naheen mila.
main bas chaahata hooain ki lekh khojana aasaan ho. main naheen kah raha ki aisa redirection prushth daal kar hi karna chaahiye. agar koi aur tareeka hai, to vo bhi chalega.
ant mein yeh kehna chaahooainga ki ye bas meri vyaktigat rai hai. aap sab jaisa theek samajhein, mujhe sveekaar hai. --gaurav (vaarta) 08:49, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
gaurav ji, yadi aarkansa jaise lekh mein ek bhi angreji naam hota to aapko usaka parinaam oopar mein avashya dikhaai deta. vaise mujhe lagta hai ki yadi ham har lekh mein kam se kam ek angreji sandarbh bhi daal dete hain to isse ye kaam hone ke saath hi sandarbhaheen lekhon mein sudhaar bhi ho jaaega. --Spic (vaarta) 10:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Google khoj enyain hai, vikipeediya khoj keval hindi viki par sthit lekh khojane ke liye hai. uparaant aapko hindi mein hi khoj karni padegi.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 11:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
mujhe to bahut baar angreji ke lekh khojane mein pareshaani hoti hai. udaaharan ke liye sahi speling na pata ho to. yadi angreji vaalon ne utapataang speling vaale lekhon ko devanaagari mein bhi likhkar punarpreshit kiya hota to mujhe bahut aasaani hoti.--anunaad Singh (vaarta) 11:42, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
not: nimnalikhit kuchh tippaniyaaain hain. krupaya inhein achhi neeyat maanein. ant mein aap sab jo bhi faisala leinge, mujhe vo sveekaar hoga.
@YmKavishwar: ji, ek achhi website rigid naheen flexible hoti hai. ek achhi website har upayogakarta ke baare mein sochati hai, aur use us tarah prayog karne deti hai jo use suvidhaajanak lage. agar ham keval hindi mein khoj karne deinge, to bahut se upayogakartaaon ke liye website ko prayog karna mushkil ho jaaega.
@Sfic: ji, aapko ek udaaharan deta hooain. alaaska lekh mein angreji shabd diya gaya hai, fir bhi Alaska type karne par alaaska lekh chauthe number par aata hai. mujhe lagta hai ki ye user-friendly naheen hai. mere hisaab se Alaska type karne par khoj parinaam aane ke bajaay seedhe alaaska lekh khulana chaahiye. --gaurav (vaarta) 12:37, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
vikipeediya ke prakalp vishv ki sabhi pramukh bhaasha mein hai. ek hi vishay ke sabhi lekh ek doosare ke saath viki data ke saath joode hue hai. aap ko vishv ki jo bhi bhaasha mein lekh khojana ho to us bhaasha ke vikipeediya mein usi bhaasha mein khoj karni padegi. ye hindi vikipeediya hai. aapko angreji mein khoj karni hai to angreji vikipeediya par hi jaana padega. vaha se aapko hindi viki ke lekh ki kadi mil jaaegi. hindi mein lekh padhne ke baad aapko angreji shabd ke liye hindi shabd aur vartani ka gyaan bhi hoga. ye yatn se aapki hindi bhi achhi ho jaaegi.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 15:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
gaurav ji, jab main hindi mere leptop mein Google par Alaska khojata hooain to sabse upar hindi viki ka prushth alaaska aata hai lekin iska kaaran ye hai ki main hindi vaale prushthon ko sochana pasand karta hooain. lekin hindi vikipeediya par aapko ye lekh sabse upar naheen mila, iska kaaran yeh naheen hai ki hamein anupreshit kar dena chaahiye. iska kaaran yeh hai ki iske upar aane vaale prushthon mein ye shabd hindi mein likha hua hona chaahiye tha lekin aisa naheen hai aur vo prushth kisi aur kaaran se jyaada log dekhte hain at: khojane mein upar aa gaya. aapka kehna thoda anuchit hai kyonki iske baad aap yeh bhi kehna chaahoge ki aap yadi galat vartani daalte ho to bhi yeh usi prushth par jaaye. ho sakta hai bhavishya mein ye bhi sambhav hai lekin ise abhi yahaaain mumakeen karna sambhav naheen hai. vaise aap to computer vigyaan se jude huye vyakti ho, aapko bhi kuchh takaneeki sahayog dena chaahiye. iske atirikt mujhe Sfic ji ki sandarbh waali baat bahut achhi lagi. kisi bhi lekh mein kam se kam ek sandarbh angreji mein dene mein koi buraai naheen hai aur main to yeh kehna chaahooainga ki ye sandarbh itni bhaashaaon mein do ki khojane wala kisi bhi bhaasha mein khoje, sabse upar hindi wala prushth hi aaye.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 17:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
jaisa aap sabhi theek samajhein, meri sahamati bhi usi mein hai. main charcha samaapt karta hooain.
@sanjeev Kumar: ji, bas ek spashteekaran kar deta hooain: mainne Alaska vikipeediya par khoja tha, Google par naheen (Google par sabse pehle sahi lekh milta hai). --gaurav (vaarta) 17:50, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

yadi hindi vikipeediya par roman lipi mein likhe shabdon se anupreshan kiya jaae to usase hindi viki ka kya ahit hoga ispar bhi apne vichaar binduvaar vyakt karein.--styam mishr baatcheet 08:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

anupreshanon/punaranirdeshon ka auchitya

theek pehle ke anubhaag mein chal rahi charcha ko padhkar aisa prateet ho raha hai ki pehle anupreshanon ke oopar hi baat kar lein. hamaare yahaaain isse sambandhit dishaanirdesh vi:punarnirdeshan par hai, sangat angreji panna bhi padha ja sakta hai.

is kram mein kuchh prashn aur hain:

  • anupreshan kis liye banaaye jaate hain?
  • kya anupreshan Yahoo, Google, yandeks, bing ki suvidha ke liye hain ya ye hamaari viki ki apni cheej hain? poorvokt charcha mein Google sarch se kya lena dena hai ?
  • Google (ya aisi anya) khoj bahut buddhimaan ho chuki hai, to kya ab saare anupreshanon ko hata diya jaaya? oopar charcha se to yahi prateet ho raha hai ki khojane wala sach mein chaah hi le to ant-pant sahi panne pe pahuainch hi jaayega.
  • agar anupreshan banaaye jaane chaahiyein to kyon aur kin cheejon ke liye? vi:punarnirdeshan par bataaye kaaranon mein kya sudhaar ki gunjaaish hai aur inhein aur vistrut kiya jaana chaahiye ?

--sadhanyavaad !--styam mishr baatcheet 19:12, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

@Mala chaubey: ji, ye aur isse theek pehle waali charcha dekhiye (ye Star Wars anupreshan prushth se shuroo hui thi). krupaya aap bhi apni rai deejiye. --gaurav (vaarta) 08:37, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
@Hunnjazal: ji, krupaya aap bhi apni rai deejiye. --gaurav (vaarta) 08:42, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
yeh ek atyant mahatvapoorn charcha hai. punarnirdeshan ka mahatva lekhon ke baraabar hai. anupreshan lekhakon aur paathakon donon ke liye hain. hindi viki mein toote jodon ka ek bada kaaran anupreshanon ka aabhaav hai.
  1. angreji mein aap en:Bangalor likhein to seedha en:Bangalore jaayega. hindi mein baangalor ek laal jod hai. hindi viki mein dasiyon hajaar lekhon mein aise toote jod hain jinka dhyeya aise lekhon par pahuainchana hai jo astitv mein hain, jabki angreji mein aise jod sabhi chalte hain. anupreshan ek aisa adrushya jaal hai jo viki mein jaan foonk deta hai. har sambhav galati ke liye anupreshan hona chaahiye. har sambhav bhinn shabd roop ke liye anupreshan hona chaahiye.
  2. viki khoj vyavastha mein anupreshan chhupaae jaate hain, yaani koi agar khojabakse mein likh raha hai to akaaran anupreshan naheen dikhaae jaate. ve tab hi dikhte hain jab likhaai unki or chali jaati hai. masalan grah mein agar aap gr likhein to grah ka sujhaav hi milega. yadi grahon likhein, to vah anupreshit hokar sahi lekh par le jaayega.
  3. yeh sambhav naheen hai ki kisi bhi lekh ka lekhak likhte samay yeh jaan paayega ki kis vishay ka lekh kis naam se hain. yadi use har vishay par naam dhoondhana ho to aap andaaja laga sakte hain ki hindi viki mein lekh banaana anya bhaashaaon se adhik kathin aur dheema kaarya ho jaaega (vartamaan mein hai bhi). isi tarah angreji mein aap yadi likhte samay is vaakyaansh mein jod lagaaye "astronomers have discovered that neptunian rings are xyz" to keval braikit lagaane ki deri hai - "en:astronomers have discovered that en:neptunian rings are xyz" (jaahir hai ki angreji viki mein is :en: ki aavashyakta naheen) aur yeh taiyaar hai. yeh karna zaroori naheen - [[Astronomer|astronomers]]. agar yeh jod kabhi glat pad bhi jaaye, jaisa ki en:neptunian hai, jo kabhi-kabhaar hi hota hai, to lagbhag pratyek baar yeh kisi sambandhit vishay par hi jaata hai, jahaaain se kuchh hi klikon mein paathak sahi jagah pahuainch paata hai, jabki laal jod ka arth hai "yahaaain se aage koi rasta naheen hai".
  4. yadi hindi mein khagolashaastriyon ka anupreshan naheen hai to hindi viki ke lekhakon ko apaahij kar diya jaayega. jaise-jaise kisi vishay ke lekhon ke anupreshan badhte hain, vaise-vaise unamein aage lekh banaana asaan hota jaata hai. hamaari hindi viki mein anupreshanon ka aabhaav ek bahut hi badi viklaangata hai. bahut se lekhak saralatam cheejon ke bhi jod daalte hi naheen kyonki unhein pata hai ki anya lekhon ka anaayaas milna asambhav hai. angreji viki mein is bharose ke saath jod daale jaate hain ki kisi buniyaadi vishay ke kisi bhi aaspaas ke naam ke jod ke chal jaane ki sambhaavana bahut hai. vlaadeemeer pootin, vlaadeemeer pootin, vlaadimeer pootin, vlaadimir pootin, vlaadimeer pooteen, vlaadeemir pooteen, vlaadamir putin - lekh astitv mein hai - vlaadimeer putin - lekin bahut se lekhak koshish hi naheen kareinge. theek yaheen soorya grahan#khagol shaastreeyon ki gananaayein mein hua hai, jahaaain theek neeche ki saamagri mein khagol shaastreeyon ek saral punarpreshit jod hona chaahiye tha.
  5. naye lekhakon ko sikhaaya jaana chahiye ki jab aap lekh banaate hain aur usamein jod lagaate hain to, agar vah jod laal dikhe, sahi lekh ka naam dhoondhe. yadi lekh astitv mein ho to sabse pehle anupreshan banaae - agar aapne glat likha tha, fir bhi banaaye. uske baad agar aap apne lekh mein naam badalkar maanak naam jod ke liye prayog karna chaahein to aapki ichha, lekin yeh anupreshan avashya banaaye kyonki jo aapse hua theek vaheen aane vaale laakhon lekhakon aur paathakon se hoga.
  6. main satyam mishr ji ki rai se poori tarah sahamat hooain ki vi:punarnirdeshan par charcha ho aur use vistrut aur susangathit kiya jaaye.
dhanyavaad --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 16:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
@Hunnjazal: aapko sujhaavon ke liye dhanyavaad. mujhe abhi bhi ek baat atapati lagti hai. aapne apne 4 varsh puraane vichaaron ko lagbhag jyon ka tyon rakh diya hai. haaain aapki baatein saaragarbhit hain aur kuchh had tak theek bhi hain lekin ismein kuchh maamalon mein ye aavashyakta se adhik bhi ho jaata hai. pehla udaaharan aapne baangalor ka diya hai jabki uske kaaran mujhe ek bhi tuti hui kadi naheen mili jabki angreji vikipeediya par en:Bangalor (bangalor athva iske tulya prachalit kannad shabd ko angreji lipi mein seedha likhne par yeh shabd banta hai.) ko kam se kam 2 prushthon par kaam mein liya gaya hai. at: yeh tulana adhik mahattv naheen rakhati. mainne logon ko aapasi baatcheet mein Jaipur ko "jpr" likhte aksar dekha hai lekin en:jpr mujhe naheen mila. lekin aapki vlaadimeer putin ke baare mein kahi gayi baat poornat: uchit hai.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 19:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
sarvaadhik anupreshan to mujhe lagta hai hindi vartani mein hi aavashyak hai - aap roos mein hindi aur roos mein hindi ko hi lein - doosra aapko yeh tippani ke samay laal rang mein milega - kya hindi aur hindi do alag bhaashaaeain hain? --mujmmil (vaarta) 19:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
sanjeev ji, sahi baat hai, baangalor achha udaaharan naheen. mujmmil ji, yeh anusvaar waali baat bahut hi theek kahi - is se bhi hindi viki mein bahut se toote jod utpann hote hain. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 03:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
mujmmil ji, mujhe "roos mein hindi" se kai prushth jude huye mile lekin ek bhi prushth mein "roos mein hindi" (chaupaal ko chhodkar) ki ek bhi laal-kadi naheen mili.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 07:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
sanjeev ji, mera kehna keval anupreshan ke baare mein hai. nivedan hai ki jahaaain par bhi sheershak mein hindi ya hindi ho to doosare sheershak apne aap redirect ho. mere vichaar se do tarah se likhe jaane shabdon ke liye yeh kaam ke liye aapke baut ka prayog kiya ja sakta hai. --mujmmil (vaarta) 11:24, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

tippani bhaag 2

main kuchh aur tippaniyaaain bhi likhna chaahata hooain. aajkal hindi bhaashi logon mein hindi ke sthaan par hingalish ka prachal bahut badh gaya hai aur online baatcheet ke maadhyamon mein bhi devanaagari lipi ke sthaan par roman lipi kaam mein lete hain. aise logon ko devanaagari mein likhne mein bahut pareshaani hoti hai. iska parinaam yeh hota hai ki aise log adhiktar lekhon mein Bhaarat ke sthaan par India likhna pasand karte hain. ab yadi ham India ko Bhaarat (jaisa vartamaan mein bhi hai.) par anupreshit kar dete hain to saamaanya roop mein dekhne par us prushth mein India shabd par bahut hi kam logon ka dhyaan jaayega. lekh dekhne mein jaroor sundar lagega lekin uske pichhe ki sachchaai yeh hogi ki lekh mein angreji ke shabdon ki bharamaar ho jaayegi aur lekh ki gunavata ke saath bahut hi galat samjhauta hoga.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 07:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

mitro, aapko pata hai hame selari naheen milti fir bhi jyaadaatar yogadaanakarta viki mein yogadaan kyoon dete hai ? ek pramukh kaaran hai bhaasha ke prati prem. viki ki pariyojanaaeain sabhi bhaasha mein hai. unka ek uddeshya ye bhi hai ki ye gyaan hamein hamaari bhaasha mein mile. 'ye jnyaaanakosh hindi bhaasha mein hai' ye hamein bhoolana naheen chaahiye. hindi ki gunavatta ke saath samjhauta karna hindi ke pairo par kulhaadi maarane jaisa hai. anko ke naam par hindi ke devanaagari anko ke saath khilvaad ho chooka hai. iska parinaam dekhiye arabi anko ki bharamaar. aage jaake paristhiti ye I ki devanaagari ank samajhne ki shakti bhi ja rahi hai. bhaasha ki inse buri kooseva aur naheen ho sakti. ab ye doosare tareeke se hindi par angreji ko haavi karne ka prayaas ho raha hai. ye hindi vikipeediya hai yahaaain hindi aur devanaagari ka prayog naheen hoga to aur kaha hoga ? geeta mein shri Krishna ne kaha hai ki 'svadharm nidhnam shreya: paradharmo bhayaav:.' arthaat ye hindi viki ke liye kaha jaae to hindi mein kitni bhi glatiyaaain kyoon na ho doosari bhaasha ko hindi par haavi karna naheen chaahiye. ham sabhi bhaasha ka sanmaan karte hai lekin ye karne se hindi mein arabi shabdo ki bharamaar hogi jaisa ki anko mein hua hai.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 03:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
kaveeshvar ji ek chhota sa prashn hai! aapki pratham bhaasha shaayad gujaraati hai aur meri Bhojpuri. fir bhi ham yahaaain hindi viki par yogadaan kar rahe hain. yeh na to aapka "svadharm" hai, na mera. to kya ham koi "bhayaavah:" type ka krutya kar rahe hain? aapka "sv" kitna bada hai, aur "par" kahaaain se shuroo hota hai? uttar dena chaahein to mere vaarta prushth par deejiyega, yahaaain naheen! kyonki yahaaain vishay kuchh aur hai!--styam mishr baatcheet 08:37, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
satyam ji, main aapke vaarta prushth par uttar de raha hooain.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 03:39, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

namaste yogesh kaveeshvar ji! aapka drushtikon nishchit roop se hindi ke bhale ke liye hai, lekin main is baat se asahamat hooain ki anupreshan se hindi ki gunavatta prabhaavit hogi. angreji vikipeediya mein en:Berber peoples, en:Berber people, en:Berbers, en:Berbers aadi sabhi khoj ek hi lekh ko jaate hain, aur dhooaindhane mein koi dikkat naheen hoti. magar hindi mein kaheen kaheen kisi shabd ke saath hindi aur hindi hi likhein to aapko fark dikhega. hindi mein aise bahut saare shabd hain jo lekhakon aur paathakon ko pareshaan karte hain. isi tarah amreeka, amareeka, America, amereeka ke saath bhi hai. kya aise shabdon ka anupreshan naheen hona chaahiye? anupreshan ki suvidha ka ek bahut bada kaaran yahi hai aur vikipediya neeti (en:Wikipedia:Redirect) bhi yahi kehti hai. sanjeev Kumar ji ka kehna hai ki aajkal hindi bhaashi logon mein hindi ke sthaan par hingalish ka prachalan bahut badh gaya hai aur online baatcheet ke maadhyamon mein bhi devanaagari lipi ke sthaan par roman lipi kaam mein lete hain. aise logon ko devanaagari mein likhne mein bahut pareshaani hoti hai. yeh sahi baat hai aur anupreshan ke kram mein hamein in baaton par bhi dhyaan kendrit karna hoga. vi:punarnirdeshan par bataaye kaaranon mein nishchit roop se sudhaar ki gunjaaish hai aur ise atyant vistrut aur vyaapak banaae jaane ki aavashyakta hai.

ham sabhi ko charcha karke hindi viki mein anupreshanon ka aabhaav ko mitaana hoga. kyonki kisi vishay ke lekhon ke anupreshan badhne se aage lekh banaana bahut hi asaan ho jaata hai. ab dekhiye hindi vikipeediya par hindi ke hi shabd patraalaya khojane par laal kadi dikhti hai jabki daakaghar khojane par lekh mil jaata hai. usi prakaar post aafis ya daakakhaana likhne par bhi koi parinaam naheen praapt hota. hamein yeh naheen bhoolana chaahiye ki anupreshan lekhakon aur paathakon donon ke liye jaroori hain. har jeevit bhaasha mein nae nae shabd bante rahate hain parantu prachalan mein vahi shabd sveekaarya hote hain jinhe jan maanas ya lokamaanas sveekaarata hai. anupreshan karte samay hamein saare paryaayavaachi shabdon jaise adhyaapak, teacher, shikshak, aachaarya, pradhyaapak, professor aadi par bhi gaur karna chaahiye. isi prakaar dekhein to hindi bhaashi kshetron mein deshaj shabd relagaadi ka prayog kam hota hai jabki train ka prayog sarvaadhik hota hai, magar hindi viki par train khojane par laal kadi aati hai. ek aur paryaaya hai lauh path gaamini. anupreshan mein hamein in saari baaton par dhyaan kendrit karna hoga. isi prakaar twenty twenty, bees bees, bees bees pratiyogita aur tventi tventi par bhi anupreshan ki prakriya apanaani hogi. hindi ke sthaan par hingalish ka prachalan badh jaane se log shabd ko lekar tarah-tarah ke prayog karte dikh jaate hain. hamein galat prayog se bhi bachana hoga, kyonki shabd bahu prachalit hone par shabdakoshon mein jaate hain, apne ghar ke draaing room mein "rach dene" se naheen.--maala chaubevaarta 07:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

sarvapratham, charcha mein bhaageedaar sadasyon se vinmr anurodh hai ki charcha ke mool binduon par pehle rai dein aur anya sadasyon ki tippaniyon par baad mein tippani karein. Hunnjazal ji aur Mala chaubey ji ki tippaniyon ke aadhaar par mujhe saaf prateet ho raha hai ki vi:punarnirdeshan mein sudhaar aur parimaarjan ki zaroorat hai. @sanjeev Kumar: ji ke yahaaain diye uttar] aur oopar likhi tippaniyon mein mujhe aapki rai sapasht naheen samajh aayi. at: nivedan hai ki charcha ke mool bindu ke roop mein poochhe gaye prashnon par apni rai dein. (aur jaisa ki aapne Hunnjazal ki tippani par tippani ki hai, agar aisi charcha pehle ho chuki hai to usaki kadi bhi dein!) --styam mishr baatcheet 08:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

@satyam mishr: vo ek vivaadit charcha thi. aapne jaankaari chaahi hai at: kadi de raha hooain: mera aur Hunnjazal ji ka vaartaalaap vikipeediya:chaupaal/puraalekha_33#vichitr charcha naamak anubhaag se aage aur vikipeediya:chaupaal/puraalekha_33#anupreshan par aage ki tippani par milegi. lekin ismein itna kuchh naheen milega jo aapko vartamaan charcha se alag de sake. iske alaava Hunnjazal ji aur hemant ji ki charcha aapko sadasya_vaarta:Hunnjazal#anupreshan ke sambandh mein aur sadasya vaarta:Hemant wikikosh#anupreshan neeti par mil sakti hai. in charchaaon mein ek antar yeh bhi hai ki jab mainne Hunnjazal ji ke saath charcha ki thi tab hindi vikipeediya par mera anubhav unke saamane bahut kam tha.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 08:50, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@satyam mishr: ji, angreji viki par kuchh devanaagari naamon ka anupreshan hai. iska matlab yeh bhi naheen hai ki ham jaakar vahaaain 'aam' ko mango par anupreshit karne ki koshish karein aur ve saharsh aisa karne deinge. ham bhi kuchh gine chune roman shabdon ko hindi par anupreshit karne ki chhoot de sakte hain, kintu uske peechhe ek thos kaaran hona chaahiye, New York ko New York par anupreshit karne jaisa naheen. pehle yeh baat kahi ja chuki hai ki anupreshan 'Google aadi dvaara khoje jaane mein aasaani' ke liye shaayad naheen hain. anupreshan ka doosra kaaran us shabd ko lekhon mein jyon ka tyon prayog karna bhi hai. yeh baat roman shabdon par laagoo naheen hoti kyonki hindi viki par roman mein - 'New York America ka ek shahar hai' - likhne ki bhi chhoot naheen hai. viki par intaraviki link ki ek atirikt suvidha bhi hai.--anunaad Singh (vaarta) 08:55, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
anunaad ji mainne bhi yeh charcha isi liye shuroo ki thi. mainne yeh naheen prastaavit kiya hai ki hindi viki par is samay 102629 lekh hain to sabhi ke liye roman lipi se anupreshan banaaye jaane chaahiyein. isse oopar ki charcha ke teen prashnon mein se pratham ke uttar mein hi yadi koi "naheen" kehta hai aur taarkik roop se bataata hai ki kyon, to use dusare prashn ka uttar naheen dena hai. doosra prashn hi yahi hai ki kin sheershakon ke liye? kya harek ke liye? aur teesara prashn yahi hai ki kin gine chune shabdon ke liye yeh chhoot di ja sakti hai? kin maanadandon (thos kaaranon) ke saath? aapko bhi apne vichaar rakhane chaahiyein.--styam mishr baatcheet 09:33, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

aage kaise badha jaaeain? yadi ham mein is neeti ko badhaane ki sahamati hai, main agale ek ya do dinon mein en:Wikipedia:Redirect ka anuvaad karke ise vikipeediya:punarnirdeshan/prastaav naamak naye prushth par daal sakta hooain jiske vaarta prushth par ham aapasi vaad-vivaad se usamein bindu-dar-bindu badlaav karke ek sahamati se bani neeti tak pahuainch sakte hai. yadi ham sahamati bana paaye to use paarit kar deinge, varana naheen. kya yeh upasthit sadasyon ko sveekaarya agala-kadam lagta hai? --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 16:18, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Hunnjazal ji, ye ek achha tarika hoga. iske baad aam charcha aur matadaan ke anusaar aavashyak chhote badlaav kar liye jaayeinge.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 16:20, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
meri poorn sahamati hai! kyonki yahaaain charcha bahut faladaayi naheen saabit ho rahi! --styam mishr baatcheet 17:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
dhanyavaad sanjeev ji va satyam ji, main ise kar ke yahaaain sandesh daalooainga. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 21:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

tippani bhaag 3

maala ji, mera kehane ka taatparya yeh naheen hai ki anupreshan karna hindi ki gunavatta ke saath samjhauta hai. arabi shabdo ko hindi shabdo ke prati anupreshit karne ka prayatn hua tha ye glat hai.

hunjjalaal ji, anupreshan ko vistaarit karna achhi baat hai aur main bhi inka samarthan karta hooain. kintu jis tarah arabi anko ko ghusa diya hai esa naheen hona chaahiye.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 06:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

tippani bhaag 4

anuvaad poora ho chuka hai aur ab krupya vikipeediya:punarnirdeshan/prastaav ke vaarta prushth par charcha jaari rakhein. anuvaad mein kuchh kathinaaiyaaain I jinke liye tippani daali gayi hai aur kuchh saaainche keval angreji naamon se upasthit hain ya hai hi naheen. inapar vaarta karte hain. dhanyavaad! --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 09:51, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Server switch 2016 (sarvar parivartan 2016)

vikimeediya sansthaan nae data kendra ko dellaas mein pareekshan karne ja raha hai. yeh nishchit karna chaahata hai karne ke liye, ki vikipeediya aur anya vikimeediya viki ko kisi viptti ke baad bhi theek se kaam kare karein. ise nishchit karne ki yeh poore tarah se kaam karega, vikimeediya takaneeki vibhaag iske liye ek pareekshan ki yojana bana raha hai. jisse yeh pata chale ki ek data kendra se doosare data kendra mein le jaana suvidhaajanak hai ya naheen. iske liye kai dal dalon ki aavashyakta hai, jo is pareekshan ke liye taiyaar rahein aur kisi bhi pareshaani ko theek karne ke liye upalabdh rahein.

yeh nae data kendra mein ko mangalvaar, 19 April ko sthaanaantarit ho jaaega.
guruvaar, 21 April ko yeh pehle ke data kendra mein vaapas aa jaaega.

lekin kuchh seemitta ke ke kaaran meediyaaviki mein un do badlaav ke dauraan koi bhi sampaadan naheen ho sakeinge. ham is asuvidha ke liye khed prakat karte hain, aur bhavishya mein ise kam karne ka prayaas kareinge.

kuchh samay ke liye sabhi viki mein aap keval padh sakeinge, lekin likh naheen paaenge.

  • aap mangalvaar, 19 April aur guruvaar, 21 April ko 14:00 UTC (19:30 IST) keo 15 se 30 minute ke liye kuchh bhi naheen likh paaenge.
  • is samay ke dauraan yadi aap koi sampaadan karne ki koshish karte hain, to aapko ek truti sandesh dikhaai dega. ham yahi ummeed karte hain ki is samay ke dauraan koi bhi sampaadan naheen chhootega, lekin ham bharosa naheen dila sakte. yadi aapko koi truti sandesh dikhaai de, to krupaya sab kuchh theek hone tak prateeksha karein. uske baad aap apne sampaadan ko sahej sakte hain. lekin, ham aapko yahi sujhaav dete hain ki aap apne badlaav ko sahejane se pehle kaupi ya nakal kar rakhe.

anya prabhaav:

  • kuchh aantarik kaarya dheemi gati se kaarya kareinge aur kuchh band ho ho sakte hain. laal kadi saamaanya gati se adyatan naheen honge. yadi aap koi lekh banaate hain jo pehle se hi kaheen par joda gaya hai to vah laal rang ki kadi pehle se adhik samay tak vaise vaisi rahega raheingi. kuchh bahut lambe samay tak chalne vaale script ruk jaaeainge.
  • 18 April ke saptaah mein code bhi ruk sakte hain. koi bhi gair-anaavashyak code bhi sthaan par naheen sthaapit honge.

yeh pareekshan 22 March ko vaastavik roop se sthaapit hoga. 19 aur 21 April nae nayi tithi hain. aap tithi ko wikitech.wikimedia.org mein bhi padh sakte hain. is tithi mein yeh kai badlaav ko prabhaav daaleinge. is dauraan aur bhi soochanaaeain praapt hongi. krupaya is soochana ko apne viki samudaaya ko bhi dein. /Johan (WMF) (vaarta) 22:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

abhinandan prastaav


Wikipedia to the Moon (chaaaind par vikipeediya)

(hindi anuvaad: neeche)

Hello! Sorry that this is in English only, but we are using village pump messaging in order to reach as many language communities as possible. Wrong page? Please fix it here.

This is an invitation to all Wikipedians: Wikimedia Deutschland has been given data space to include Wikipedia content in an upcoming mission to the Moon. (No joke!) We have launched a community discussion about how to do that, because we feel that this is for the global community of editors. Please, join the discussion on Meta-Wiki (and translate this invitation to your language community)! Best, Moon team at Wikimedia Deutschland 15:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

hindi mein:

namaskaar! kshama karein yeh keval angreji mein hai, lekin ham kai bhaasha samudaayon tak pahunchane ke liye vilej panp(chaupaal) sandesh ka upayog kar rahe hain.

galat pej? krupaya ise yahaaain theek karein.

yeh sabhi vikipeediynon ke liye ek nimantran hai: vikimeediya doichaleind ne aagaami chandrama mission mein vikipeediya saamagri ko shaamil karne ke liye jagah di hai.(majaak naheen hai!) yeh jaanane ke liye ki ise kaise karna hai, ke baare mein ek samudaaya charcha shuroo ki hai, kyonki hamein lagta hai ki yeh sampaadkon ke vaishvik samudaaya ke liye hai. krupaya, meta-viki par charcha mein shaamil hon. sabse achhi chandrama team vikimeediya doichaleind par 15:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

angreji vikipeediya ka anusaran

namaste doston, angreji vikipeediya par ek prushth banaate samay mujhe gyaat hua ki vahaaain par agrani bhaarateeya samaachaar patron mein se ek the hindu ko pratibndhit kiya gaya hai. mujhe yeh gyaat naheen hai ki ise kab aur kyon pratibndhit kiya gaya lekin yadi ham andhe hokar anusaran karein to hamein bhi ise pratibndhit kar dena chaahiye. at: main un logon se anurodh karna chaahooainga jo bina kaaran jaane, seedhe hi angreji vikipeediya ke niyam yahaaain laagoo karne ke prastaavon ka samarthan karte hain.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 12:43, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@sanjeev Kumar: ji, 1) agar hamein lagta hai ki angreji vikipeediya par kuchh galat ho raha hai ya unke koi niyam theek naheen hain, to mere hisaab se hamein angreji vikipeediya par bhi baat karni chaahiye.
2) the hindu se pratibndh ek din mein hi hata liya gaya tha. --gaurav (vaarta) 10:46, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
gaurav ji, mainne ek udaaharan likha hai. aise hajaaron udaaharan de sakta hooain. main ye naheen kehta ki hamein vipreet karna chaahiye lekin unhein jyon ka tyon yahaaain bhi naheen laagoo kiya ja sakta. udaaharan ke liye angreji vikipeediya par sandarbh angreji mein hi dena hota hai, yadi angreji mein sambhav hi naheen ho pa raha ho tab anya bhaasha ke sandarbh sveekrut kiye jaate hain lekin hamaare yahaaain kisi bhi bhaasha ke sandarbh diye ja sakte hain.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 16:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
@sanjeev Kumar: ji, main aapki baat samajh raha hooain. dhanyavaad. --gaurav (vaarta) 19:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

main sahamat hooain. andha anusaran to kisi bhi cheej ka naheen karna chaahiye - angreji viki mein kuchh neetiyon ko banaane ki prakriya mein kaipitlaaijeshan (capitalization) ko lekar kheenchaataani hoti hai - yeh hindi mein samasya hai hi naheen - alag paristhitiyaaain, alag samaadhaan. haaain, jahaaain paristhitiyaaain samaan hon, vahaaain angreji viki ke hindi viki se kai guna adhik anubhav se seekha ja sakta hai. main gaurav ji ki bhi baat se sahamat hooain. agar hamein kisi bhi viki mein kuchh glat lage (aur vyaktigat samay ho) to usamein jaakar apni baat avashya rakhani chaahiye. vikipeediya ki vyavastha ke anusaar sabhi bhaasha-vikipeediya par sabka adhikaar hai. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 15:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

varishth sampaadak adhikaar niymaavali mein badlaav

namaste vikidoston, pichhle dinon varishth sampaadak adhikaaron ke liye hui anaavashyak bahas ko madhyanajr rakhate huye mainne kuchh niyamon ka prastaav rakha hai. vartamaan niyam mukhaprushth sampaadan ke saath koi judaav naheen rakhate at: mainne aise niyamon ka sujhaav diya hai jo mukhaprushth sampaadan se seedhe roop se jude hain aur isse anya sadasyon ko bhi mukhaprushth sampaadan ke liye prerana milne ki sambhaavana hai. haaain, niyam pehle ki tulana mein thode kathin hain. mainne niymaavali ka praathamik praaroop vikipeediya vaarta:varishth sampaadak adhikaar hetu nivedan#niymaavali mein badlaav aur sujhaav par likha hai. krupaya neeche naya upaanubhaag banaakar apni pratikriya dein.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 20:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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WikiConference India 2016 update

Hi,

After an elaborate community participation process, we are planning to host Wikiconference India 2016 in Chandigarh during August 5, 6 and 7.

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We will be calling applications for travel scholarship and paper presentations soon.

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Thanks.

--Ravidreams (vaarta) 20:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiConference India 2016 team.

As a stakeholder of the Wikimedia India community in India, please express your support and comments regarding the selection of host city, date and other aspects of this conference planning.

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Comments

shri Ram sena naamak lekh par charcha

☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 07:34, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

@sanjeev Kumar: ji, krupaya apne vaarta prushth par hui charcha bhi vaarta:shri Ram sena par jod deejiye. --gaurav (vaarta) 08:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

lekh kailori mein sudhaar vaanchhit

vigyaan aur bhautiki se sambandh rakhane vaale sadasyon se nivedan hai ki is mahatvapoorn vishay ka kuchh vistaar karein. dhanyavaad !--styam mishr baatcheet 18:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Train-the-Trainer and MediaWiki Training: Capacity building initiatives for the Wikimedia community

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Like the previous years [1][2] CIS-A2K is planning for a capacity building activity for the Indic-language Wikimedia communities this year. This 3-4 day event, that is planned to be organized in Bengaluru, will include several parallel training sessions. The general sessions will broadly include:

  • How to conduct Wikimedia outreach (workshops, GLAM activities, edit-a-thons)
  • Ways to groom new contributors
  • Advanced Wikipedia editing and Wikipedia policy and guidelines

Similarly, the MediaWiki training will include:

  • MediaWiki - installation, analysis, understanding
  • Working with MediaWiki
  • How bots work on Wikimedia projects with an emphasis on pywikibot
  • Bug triage, bug life cycle, raising a bug, fixing a bug
  • General overview of FOSS, Openness, social media, Copyright, Creative Commons

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samasya

@Gaurav561, satyam mishr, Manojkhurana, Hindustanilanguage, hindusthaan vaasi, Sfic, aur raaju suthaar:@YmKavishwar, Hunnjazal, aur sanjeev Kumar:

ki gayi charcha ke liye dekhein: sadasya vaarta:satyam mishr#saaaincha:mukhaprushth samaachaar

jaisa ki oopar ki gayi charcha mein pata lagaaya gaya ki mukhya prushth ke saaainche seedheedaar suraksha mein hain aur inhein edit karne ke liye protekt raait hona aavashyak hai jo ki keval prabandhakon ke paas hota hai ab is kaaranavash main varishth sampaadak ke pad ke aadhe kaarya naheen kar paauainga (jaise: mukhya prushth adyatan, samaachaar adyatan aadi) kyonki ye saaainche seedheedaar suraksha mein hain. ab keval ve surakshit saaainche hi bache hain jo ismein naheen hai aur mainne mukhyat: samaachaar adyatan ke liye is adhikaar hetu vi:visheshaadhikaar nivedan#varishth sampaadak par aavedan kiya tha. ab ya to protekt raait is sadasyapad ko bhi diye jaaeain ya main swayam ko is padaadhikaar se mukt karne ka prastaav deta hooain. aap sabhi ki kya rai hai??--- chakrapaani vaarta 15:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

@chakrapaani: ji, mujhe lagta hai ki mukhaprushth se suraksha-seedhi hata kar un saaainchon ko surakshit karne se kaam ho jaayega. --Sfic (vaarta) 16:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
dhanyavaad Sfic ji, suraksha seedhi hataakar surakshit karne se ho jaaega. varishth sampaadak ko prushth surakshit karne ka adhikaar dena ho to charcha ka aarambh kar sakte hai. samarthan ke baad phabricator par rakhane se ho jaaega.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 17:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
shaayad is prakaar se hal nikal aae. --mujmmil (vaarta) 18:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
prabandhakagan bhi apna mat yahaaain vyakt karein. --- chakrapaani vaarta 03:53, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
mujhe seedhi hataakar surakshit karna sahi sujhaav lag raha hai. agar sanjeev ji bhi sahamat hain to yeh kar dena chaahiye. chakrapaani ji ke alaava anya kaun se sadasya is sandarbh mein sakreeya hone ke ichhuk hain - keval samasya ke paimaane ka anumaan lagaane ke liye poochh raha hooain. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 07:56, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

@satyam mishr, sanjeev Kumar, aur Mala chaubey: aapka kya khyaal hai?? krupaya bataaen. --- chakrapaani vaarta 05:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@Hunnjazal: aapka sujhaav achha hai ya naheen! iska nirnaya main naheen kar pa raha. kya aap iska kaaran bata sakte ho?☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 07:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
mujhe seedheedaar suraksha hataana theek naheen lag raha hai. isse achha to seedhe prabandhak adhikaar hi le liye jaae.--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 13:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
kuchh sadasya doosare prabandhakeeya kaarya naheen karna chaahate aur mukhaprushth sanpaadan mein roochi rakhate hai, prabandhako ki gairamaujoodagi mein bhi mukhaprushth sanpaadan ka kaarya suchaaroo roop se chalta rahe unke liye ye naya sadasya adhikaar banaaya gaya tha. seedheedaar suraksha hone ke kaaran varishth sampaadak mukhaprushth ke saaainche ko sanpaadit naheen kar pa rahe hai aur iski vajah se mukhaprushth sanpaadan ka kaarya bhi naheen ho raha hai. (varishth sampaadak ke dvaara) aur yahaaain baat seedheedaar suraksha hataane ke naheen kintu seedheedaar suraksha ke badle unhe svatantr rup se surakshit karne ki hai. ye svatantr surakshaastar bhi keval prabandhako ko anumati dein wala hi hoga. kintu varishth sampaadak ko inhe sanpaadit karne ka adhikaar hai. ye to pehle hi tay ho chooka hai ki prabandhako ke alaava aur sadasyo ko mukhaprushth sanpaadan ka adhikaar diya jaae.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 14:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
poorn sahamati. hindi viki mein anya prabandhak bhi banane chaahiyein. yeh har viki mein hota hai ki alag-alag prabandhak (ya sadasya) alag kaaryo mein saksham hote hain ya ruchi rakhate hain. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 16:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

@YmKavishwar: main aapki baat se sahamat hooain. ya to yeh kar diya jaaye ya mera sujhaav hai ki keval kuchh saanchon (jaise: samaachaar, kya aap jaante hain aur chitr) ko seedheedaar suraksha se hata saamaanya suraksha(jaisa yogesh ji ne bataaya) mein kar diya jaaye. jisse varishth sampaadak bhi use sampaadit kar sakein--- chakrapaani vaarta 04:22, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@chakrapaani: ji, seedheedaar suraksha prushth ke saath joode sabhi saaainche aur maudyul par samaan tareeke se laagoo hoti hai. isliye kuchh saaaincho mein hi ye sambhav naheen hai. seedheedaara suraksha hataake mukhaprushth ke sabhi saaaincho ko svatantrarup se surakshit karna padega aur prabandhak hi ye kaarya kar sakte hai. mujhe naheen lagta kisi prabandhak ko ismein koi bhi aapatti ho sakti hai.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 07:53, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


chooainki, yeh charcha mere vaarta prushth ke havaale se shuroo hui thi aur mainne apni rai vahaan vyakt kar di thi isliye dubaara yeh kehne ki aavashyakta naheen thi. parantu yahaaain charcha ki disha dekhte hue dubaara apni baat likh raha hooain.

  1. main vyaktigat taur par seedheedaar suraksha hataane ke paksh mein bilkul naheen hooain.
  2. varishth sampaadak ko protect adhikaar dene (yeh sambhav hai ya naheen main naheen janta) ke paksh mein bhi naheen hooain.
  3. yadi varishth prabandhak ke adhikaar se mukhaprushth naheen sanpaadit ho sakta (jaisa takaneeki jaankaari rakhane vaale logon ne pehle vyakt kiya tha ki isse yeh ho jaayega) to main yahi salaah doonga ki sadasya, jinhein mukhaprushth adyatan karna hai, seedhe prabandhak daayitvon ke liye naamaankan karein.
  4. "varishth sampaadak" ka naam badal kar " saaaincha sampaadak" kiya jaaya aur yeh adhikaar un logon ko diya jaaya jo prabandhak na hote hue bhi saaainchon aur anya takaneeki prushthon ko sanpaadit karne ki yogyata rakhate hon.

yeh ek prayog tha. jo vartamaan dasha mein nishfal hua lag raha hai ki template editor mukhaprushth ka sanpaadan kar sakta hai.

agar yeh naheen sambhav hai to use jbaran karavaane ke liye mukhaprushth ki suraksha hataane ka koi auchitya naheen.

aur mainne apne vaarta prushth par bhi puchha tha, fir poochh raha hooain, isse mukhaprushth ka kaise aur kaun sa bhala hone wala hai? yeh bhi samajhaaya jaaya. --styam mishr baatcheet 08:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@satyam mishr: ji, aap prabandhak hai aur aapki rai sahi hi hogi. naye prabandhak banaaya jaae ye aur bhi achhi baat hai. shaayad uske baad mukhaprushth ki ye samasya hi na rahe. chakrapaani ji bhi kafi achha yogadaan dein rahe hai aur prabandhak banane ke liye aage badh sakte hai. ek baat mukhaprushth sanpaadan ke kaarya mein ruchi hone ki bhi hai. chakrapaani ji ismein kaafi ruchi rakhate hai isliye main unka samarthan kar raha hooain. seedheedaar suraksha ke badle saaaincho ko svatantarup se surakshit karne ka bhi mein samarthan karta hooain kyooainki isse koi bhi aapatti naheen ho sakti. suraksha bani hi rahegi. mujhe to aapatti ke liye koi kaaran naheen mil raha hai. pehle ham naye prabandhako ke kaarya ko dekhake samasya ka samaadhaan hota hai ya naheen ye bhi dekh sakte hai. baad mein bhe ye vishay par charcha ho sakti hai. mukhaprushth sanpaadan ki samasya hi na rahe to ye naye sadasya samooh ka naam badalkar mein saaaincha sampaadak rakhane ka bhi samarthan karta hooain.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 09:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
agar aur prabandhak ban rahein hain to suraksha badalne ki aavashyakta naheen hai, yeh sahi baat hai. lekin agar naheen bante to vikaas ke liye seedhi-badlaav chhodkar koi chaara naheen dikhta. dekhte hain ki prabandhak chunaav mein agale kuchh kaal mein kya hota hai. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 16:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

aneeta (1967 film) ka poster

aneeta (1967 film) ka poster angreji viki mein Anita 1967.jpg ke naam se hai lekin hindi viki mein naheen aa raha hai. krupaya madad karein.somesh tripaathi vaarta 09:08, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

@Somesh virgo: ji, aasha hai ki aapki samasya ka ab samaadhaan ho chuka hai.--mujmmil (vaarta) 09:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
mujmmil ji, aapka apaar dhanyavaad.somesh tripaathi vaarta 20:06, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

ank parivrtak

pata naheen kab se par ank parivrtak mujhe dikh hi naheen raha hai (vareeyataaon mein saksham hai). kya kisi aur ke saath bhi aisa hai? ya kaheen isko band kar diya gaya hai.--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 14:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

pasand > upakaran (gaijet) > pradarshan upakaran > ank parivrtak, naagari aur arabi ankon mein parivartan karne ke liye ek gaijet (prayogaatmak) ⟵ aapne kaheen is dabbe ka check hata to naheen diya? --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 17:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
mujhe to dikh raha hai. Hunnjazal ji ki bataai jagah check karein. --styam mishr baatcheet 19:23, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
naheen dikh raha hai. check laga hua hai. kai baar hata ke aur laga ke dekha par ank parivrtak ab bhi naheen dikh raha hai.--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 13:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
peeyoosh ji, mere khayaal se aap ank parivrtak ke meediyaaviki prushtho ko apne sadasya naam ke upaprushth ke rup mein bana ke deinkhale. shaayad ho jaaega. ye naye prushtho mein meediyaaviki ke sthaan par aapka sadasyanaam/ aur / ke baad meediyaaviki ka jo .js prushth hai usaka naam aayega. ye meediyaaviki prushtho par jo paath hai vah ye apne upaprushtho par kaaaipi-paist kar dijiyega. ham apne sadasya prushth ke Common.js prushth banaate hai aise hi ye banaana hai.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 13:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
mujhe kabhi dikhta hai aur kabhi naheen. aur agar dikhta hai bhi, to kaam naheen karta. (yogesh ji ki sujhaai cheej mainne karke naheen dekhi. ye karne ke baad javaab doonga.) --gaurav (vaarta) 13:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
yogesh ji, mainne aapka sujhaav apnaaya (sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi/Gadget-Numeral converter.js) aur saath hi apni variytaaon ko difault kar diya par fir bhi ank parivrtak naheen dikh raha.--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 16:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
@hindusthaan vaasi: peeyoosh ji, mainne ise aapke common.js mein joda hai. aap mool gaijet ka check box hata kar dekhein. ise ab dikhna chaahiye. --styam mishr baatcheet 07:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
@hindusthaan vaasi: peeyoosh ji, satyam ne aapke common.js mein kiye badlaav ke baad ye dikhna chaahiye. aapko abhi bhi ye nahein dikhta hai to meediyaaviki:Gadget-Numeral converter.css ka paath bhi aapke common.css upaprushth mein jodna padega. uske baad to dikhna hi chaahiye.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 11:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

nayi charcha

--- chakrapaani vaarta 06:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

prashaasak evam prabandhak hetu naye naamaankan ki aavashyakta

namaste mitro,
hindi vikipeediya par mein aaya tab 8 prabandhak the. ab 5 hi hai. kuchh prabandhak sakriya naheen hai to kuchh prabandhak kuchh khaas prakaar ke prabandhakeeya kaarya mein hi bhaag lete hai aur kuchh lete hi naheen. mujhe lagta hai hamein aur sakriya evam yogya sadasyo ko prabandhak ke rup mein padonnit karna chahiye. pratham adhikaar teen maah, fir chh maah aur uske baad kaayami prabandhak adhikaar milega. tab tak naye prabandhak peedh ho jaaeainge. bhaarateeya mool ki bhaashaao mein hamaara hindi vikipeedeeya sab se bada viki hai kintu filhaal hamaare paas prashaasak ek bhi naheen hai. apitu hamein baar-baar maita-viki par jaana padta hai. hindi viki mein prashaasak hone heen chaahiye. prashaasak hetu kam se kam 25 maton ki aavashyakta hoti hai. ham ye kar sakte hai. na ho sake to 7 din ke badle matadaan aage bhi badhaaya ja sakta hai. sabhi sadasyon se vinti hai ki apni rai dein. dhanyavaad.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 12:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

shuroo mein teen maheenein prabandhak banaane wala sujhaav mujhe achha lag raha hai. isse prabandhak sankhya badhegi aur ham tay bhi kar paaenge ki kaun prabandhakeeya kaarya karne mein saksham hai.--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 16:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg samarthan bahut achha sujhaav hai. --Hunnjazal (vaarta) 16:34, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg samarthan yeh sujhaav bahut achha hai.--mujmmil (vaarta) 16:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg samarthan - main praarambh se hi is paksh mein raha hooain. mera bas chale to un samast sadasyon ko prabandhakeeya adhikaar de dene chaahiyen jinki vishvasaneeyata sthaapit ho chuki hai, jo puraane ho gaye hain aur jinke baare mein ham log aashvast hain ki ve viki ka nuksaan naheen kareinge. yadi durupayog paaya jaae, tabhi unase adhikaar chheena jaae. prashaasak ke liye bhi bahut samay se prayaas chal rahe hain lekin safal naheen hue. par dobaara prayaas karna bhi aavashyak hai. shubhakaamanaaeain.--manoj khuraana 17:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg samarthan kaafi achha sujhaav. khaaskar kam se kam ek prashaasak to hona hi chaahiye hindi viki par. --- chakrapaani vaarta 04:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
dhanyavaad manoj ji, Hunnjazal ji, peeyoosh ji, mujmmil ji, chakrapaani ji. manoj ji aapka ye hakaaraatmak abhigm preranaadaayi hai. kabhi aisa hota hai ki sadasya apne vyaktigat matabhedo ko jodkar kuchh sadasyo ka virodh karte hai. hamein isabaar aapasi matabhedo ko bhoolakar hakaaraatmakata ke saath ekajut hokar matadaan karna hai. main kuchh naamaankan karna chaahooainga aur ichhuk yogyata praapt sadasya khudaka aur doosare sadasyo ka bhi naamaankan kar sakte hai. prashaasak ke liye sanjeev ji suyogya hai. hamein doosare sadasyo ko prabandhanakaarya ke liye taaleemabaddh bhi karna hoga. pratham teen maah ke liye adhikaar dena chaahiye aur sadasya prabandhakeeya kaaryo mein praveen hone ke baad sthaayi adhikaar milna chaahiye.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 05:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg samarthan bahut hi achha sujhaav hai . --Ashoka Chakra.svgraajoo suthaar 'svatantr'vaarta 06:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

tippani

  • sujhaav achha hai lekin mainne hindi vikipeediya par pichhle chaar varshon mein aisa koi matadaan naheen dekha jismein 25 logon ne matadaan kiya hai. haaain yeh sankhya 12-13 tak jaroor pahuainchi hai.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 17:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
sanjeev ji aapki baat sahi hai kintu main poora prayaas karna chaahooainga. jaroorat padne par sadasyo ko vyaktigat sandesh bhejkar matadaan ke liye aamantrit kiya jaaega aur chaupaal evam doosare hindi prakalpo par bhi matadaan ki ghoshana kar di jaaegi. doosare sadasya bhi ekadoosare ko matadaan ke liye aamantrit kareinge. jaroorat padne par matadaan ek saptaah aur aage badhaaya jaaega. 400 sakriya sadasyo mein 25 mat naamumkin naheen hai.-yogesh kaveeshvar (vaarta) 05:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
yeh jaroori aur svaagatayogya kadam hai.--maala chaubevaarta 08:42, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
mujhe lagta hai ki ismein do bilkul bhinn muddon ko mila diya gaya hai. prashaasak se sambandhit prastaav alag hona chaahiye aur prabandhak se sambandhit alag.--anunaad Singh (vaarta) 04:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

svat: pareekshit adhikaar hataana

doston, main yahaaain vikipeediya:svat: pareekshit adhikaar hetu nivedan par diye gaye nivruti niyam ke tahat in sadasyon se ye adhikaar hataane ka prabandhakon se nivedan karta hooain.

  • lagaataar ek varsh tak 25 se kam sakaaraatmak sampaadan
  1. Sumit sinha (vaarta yogadaan) November 2014 se sirf 2 sampaadan
  2. maneesh vashishth (vaarta yogadaan) December 2013 se sirf 5 sampaadan (2014 ke baad ek bhi naheen)
  3. Sudhir kumar garhwal (vaarta yogadaan) October 2013 se sirf 6 sampaadan (2014 ke baad ek bhi naheen)
  4. Rahul kaushik (vaarta yogadaan) November 2013 ke baad se koi sampaadan naheen
  5. Rahul07 (vaarta yogadaan) March 2013 se sirf 6 sampaadan
  6. Dinesh smita (vaarta yogadaan) December 2014 se sirf 13 sampaadan
  7. Hemant wikikosh (vaarta yogadaan) January 2014 ke baad se koi sampaadan naheen
  8. Hemant Shesh (vaarta yogadaan) March 2015 se sirf 8 sampaadan
  9. Krishna Kumar Mishra (vaarta yogadaan) November 2014 se sirf 21 sampaadan
  10. Krantmlverma (vaarta yogadaan) March 2015 se sirf 2 sampaadan
  • apne adhikaar ka durupayog karna
  1. Jeeteshvaishya (vaarta yogadaan)

inhonne ye adhikaar praapt kar gair-ullekhaneeya lekh upayog ki sharton ke ullanghan mein banaae. dekhein

--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 14:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

uparokt mein Dinesh smita ko chhodkar anya sabhi logon ko svat: pareekshit adhikaar se hata diya gaya hai. Jeeteshvaishya par charcha prabandhak soochanaapat par chal rahi hai. yadi anya prabandhakon ko uchit lage to mere uparokt badlaavon mein anya nirnaya lene ke liye svatantr hain.☆a★sanjeev Kumar (✉a✉) 17:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
is adhikaar se mukt karne ke liye niymaavali kahaaain hai?--styam mishr baatcheet 09:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

{{saankhyikeeya aarekh}}

krupaya sadasya dekh kar bataae kya is saaainche mein jo lekh hai unamein sudhaar kiya ja sakta hai, mujhe to ye ullekhaneeya naheen lagte aur inhein hata dena chaahiye.--peeyoosh sadasya:hindusthaan vaasi (vaarta) 15:38, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

kuchh ka sudhaar to avashya sambhav hai. en:Template:Statistics mein dekhein. kai graafon ke baare mein lekh hain. haaain, hindi viki par ise kisi bhoogol vaale ne banaaya hai, at: ve graaf yahaaain varnit hain jinhein bhoogol vaale istemaal karte hain.--styam mishr baatcheet 09:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
peeyoosh ji is saaainche ke kuchh lekhon mein mainne kuchh maamooli sudhaar karne ki koshish ki aur inmein se jo angreji viki par mile unhein vikideta par jod diya hai. jinke baare mein angreji viki par lekh naheen hain ve bhi anullekhaneeya naheen hain. samay milne par main inhein badhaane aur inmein paryaapt sandarbh jodne ki koshish karooainga. yaad dilaate rahiyega :) --styam mishr baatcheet 18:24, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

prashaasak ke liye naamaankan

hamaara hindi vikipeedeeya bhaarateeya mool ki bhaashaao mein sabse bada viki hai kintu filhaal hamaare paas prashaasak ek bhi naheen hai. kam-se-kam ek prashaasak to hone hi chaahiye. maine charcha ke baad